Masks probably required

[Ourusualbeach]

6 minutes ago, Milwaukee Eight said:

I think this is pretty useless. It hasn’t been established yet the link between Asymptomatic infected and infecting others. Only those with symptomatic issues might have a fever. 
 

Who is going to tell the truth on a health declarations. As has been seen here, many will Cruise regardless of their health. 
 

This is my opinion 

Agreed but until and if a cost effective instant test for either Covid or the antibodies is available that’s all they can do. 

[Ocean Boy]

3 minutes ago, Milwaukee Eight said:

I think this is pretty useless. It hasn’t been established yet the link between Asymptomatic infected and infecting others. Only those with symptomatic issues might have a fever. 
 

Who is going to tell the truth on a health declarations. As has been seen here, many will Cruise regardless of their health. 
 

This is my opinion 

So what is the answer? Do they mothball the ships until the virus goes away? How many hoops is the average person, who is thinking about trying a cruise for the first time going to jump through? Those if us who love it are only going to jump so high before drinking cosmos in the comfort if my den  will suffice.

[d9704011]

3 minutes ago, Ocean Boy said:

Do they mothball the ships until the virus goes away?

Pretty much, or at least until a demonstrably effective vaccine is available.

 

As for sitting in your den drinking cosmos, that may be a bit harsh but I don’t think you’ll be able to do that on a cruise for a long time.

[boscobeans]

40 minutes ago, Ourusualbeach said:

 

 

New Procedures: 

Embarkation and disembarkation:

• All guests required to practice social distancing from valet parking to terminal check-in
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• Tables and seating areas will keep guests six feet apart to facilitate social distancing
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• Casino players per table will be restricted to ensure social distancing and slot machines will be positioned to separate players 

CROWDING-CROWDING-CROWDING... 

 

The best preventative would be to prevent crowding and maintaining the social distancing recommendations.

 

Masks are great for crowds, BUT it would be better to really think about preventing as best as possible the log jams that we are all so familiar with on embarkation, MDRs, buffets and 10 dollar watch sales...

 

Viral spread from doorknobs, elevator buttons, buffet spoons and tongs is easily controlled if the same hand washing and sanitizing that we all SHOULD be doing for Norovirus is all that is needed. People can of course introduce any germs of any kind into their own bodies with their hands and fingers, SO KEEP THEM OUT OF YOUR orifices and keep them clean...

 

My wife and I will cruise as soon as we are allowed to and have 2 cruises already booked for this November and January. 

 

We will try to follow distancing, use stairs as much as possible, and avoid crowded lines where possible.

 

We will wear masks in crowds. 

 

Hand cleaning and hands and fingers do not belong in mouths, noses or eyes. 

Edited May 27, 2020 by boscobeans

[Ocean Boy]

9 minutes ago, time4u2go said:

But wait, wasn't there a case that someone posted about recently where one asymptomatic person somewhere was around a lot of people, and none of them got sick?  Doesn't that mean that no asymptomatic person anywhere can ever infect anybody? 😏

We all know there are no absolutes in medicine. It is the risk factor of transmission that is still elusive. But until it is figured out it might be best for vulnerable people to avoid non essential activities like cruises.

[hazence]

Maybe the RCCL will need to have designated masked and unmasked cruises. People will be assured they are cruising with those who share their mindset. 😎

[xpcdoojk]

1 hour ago, mworkman said:

 

It's called...everybody loves a fighting story, nobody cares about a story of someone that's held up in their home in a fetal position waiting on someone else to brave it out. 

Sadly you mistake that a authority, when in fact it's called freedom.

 

So, when thugs on the internet virtue shame people that is not an attack on freedom?  Funny how we think about Freedom so differently, not to mention Liberty, which is equally important.  We theoretically have rights under the constitution.  We theoretically have representative governments that write laws, that are passed by legislatures.  Now we live in a nation ran by decrees of politicians called Governors and Mayors.  Their expressed orders have the effect of laws without any Of the constitutionality of laws.  

 

So, that is the kind of freedom and liberty you think we deserve?

 

Again, I wear a mask when I go into a business out of respect.  I watched people chasing a woman out of a grocery store on tv last night for not wearing a mask.  I saw thugs attacking an individual.  You, apparently, see freedom fighters attacking a minority.  The constitution was amended by the bill of rights in order to protect minorities.  Because democracy in its purest form is just mob rule.  

 

JC

[Milwaukee Eight]

18 minutes ago, time4u2go said:

But wait, wasn't there a case that someone posted about recently where one asymptomatic person somewhere was around a lot of people, and they didn't get sick?  Doesn't that mean that no asymptomatic person anywhere can ever infect anybody? 😏

I purposefully wrote my post in the way so not to stir up that debate if Asymptomatic infect others. Was trying to avoid it. I have my opinion. 

[Milwaukee Eight]

1 hour ago, hazence said:

https://wwwnc.cdc.gov/eid/article/26/5/19-0994_article#tnF2

 

 

Face Masks

Figure 2. Meta-analysis of risk ratios for the effect of face mask use with or without enhanced hand hygiene on laboratory-confirmed influenza from 10 randomized controlled trials with >6,500 participants. A) Face mask...

 

 

In our systematic review, we identified 10 RCTs that reported estimates of the effectiveness of face masks in reducing laboratory-confirmed influenza virus infections in the community from literature published during 1946–July 27, 2018. In pooled analysis, we found no significant reduction in influenza transmission with the use of face masks (RR 0.78, 95% CI 0.51–1.20; I2 = 30%, p = 0.25) (Figure 2).

 

One study evaluated the use of masks among pilgrims from Australia during the Hajj pilgrimage and reported no major difference in the risk for laboratory-confirmed influenza virus infection in the control or mask group (33).

 

Two studies in university settings assessed the effectiveness of face masks for primary protection by monitoring the incidence of laboratory-confirmed influenza among student hall residents for 5 months (9,10). The overall reduction in ILI or laboratory-confirmed influenza cases in the face mask group was not significant in either studies (9,10).

 

Study designs in the 7 household studies were slightly different: 1 study provided face masks and P2 respirators for household contacts only (34), another study evaluated face mask use as a source control for infected persons only (35), and the remaining studies provided masks for the infected persons as well as their close contacts (11–13,15,17). None of the household studies reported a significant reduction in secondary laboratory-confirmed influenza virus infections in the face mask group (11–13,15,17,34,35)

 

. Most studies were underpowered because of limited sample size, and some studies also reported suboptimal adherence in the face mask group.

 

 

Disposable medical masks (also known as surgical masks) are loose-fitting devices that were designed to be worn by medical personnel to protect accidental contamination of patient wounds, and to protect the wearer against splashes or sprays of bodily fluids (36).

 

There is limited evidence for their effectiveness in preventing influenza virus transmission either when worn by the infected person for source control or when worn by uninfected persons to reduce exposure. Our systematic review found no significant effect of face masks on transmission of laboratory-confirmed influenza.

I really can’t believe you posted this. Authored by Chinese from a Hospital in China. 

Makes one wonder about your Zip Code. 

 

[Milwaukee Eight]

21 minutes ago, Ocean Boy said:

So what is the answer? Do they mothball the ships until the virus goes away? How many hoops is the average person, who is thinking about trying a cruise for the first time going to jump through? Those if us who love it are only going to jump so high before drinking cosmos in the comfort if my den  will suffice.

The policy to check for fever and filling out a health questionnaire is just a feel good process. 

[Ocean Boy]

13 minutes ago, Milwaukee Eight said:

The policy to check for fever and filling out a health questionnaire is just a feel good process. 

I'm not disagreeing with you at all I am just asking what the answer is?

[Milwaukee Eight]

2 minutes ago, Ocean Boy said:

I'm not disagreeing with you at all I am just asking what the answer is?

I think that remains to be seen. You have those that believe the extreme PPE on one hand and then no preventative actions on the other hand, that this is a hoax conspiracy. Somewhere in the middle should be a happy medium. 

Edited May 27, 2020 by Milwaukee Eight

[hazence]

I don’t think the pandemic is a hoax/conspiracy. I just don’t put up my umbrella because it’s raining in NYC. 
 

I have noticed when these refugees enter my magic zip code...in addition to attracting bears with their garbage cans and jogging on the wrong side of the road...they do adapt to our mask free folkways. 😎 So there is hope that away from home, on a cruise ship...they can relax a bit too.

 

[boscobeans]

1.  MASKS

2.  SOCIAL DISTANCING

3.  DRUG THERAPY

4.  VACCINE

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1.  Masks are very effective. Plain and simple. If they didn't there wouldn't be one person alive in Wuhan China and tens of millions in the over crowded streets, shops and unhygienic markets in the rest of China would be dead and dying at this time.  They all wear masks, almost as a routine thing not only for disease control but also to to help with air pollution.

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2.  Social distancing works because the major means of transmission is by aspirating droplets from infected sneezes or coughs and the distance reduces that risk.

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3.  DRUGS?  So far that is a whirlwind of proponents and naysayers for Hydroxychloroquine, current anti-viral drugs and herbal remedies.  Hopefully the powers that be can decide which if any work and do it WITHOUT politicization.  

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4.  Vaccine? Hopefully they will be able to do what they have failed to do with other Coronaviruses and that is develop a vaccine, which will be rejected by many, no matter how effective or safe it is.

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For now Social Distancing where possible and the use of a PROPERLY fitted face mask when distancing is not possible, seem to be what we must learn to accept until like many flues in the past it just goes away.

[Ocean Boy]

1 minute ago, hazence said:

I don’t think the pandemic is a hoax/conspiracy. I just don’t put up my umbrella because it’s raining in NYC. 
 

I have noticed when these refugees enter my magic zip code...in addition to attracting bears with their garbage cans and jogging on the wrong side of the road...they do adapt to our mask free folkways. 😎 So there is hope that away from home, on a cruise ship...they can relax a bit too.

 

I don't even put up an umbrella when I am in NYC and it starts raining.😊

[CRUISEFAN0001]

9 minutes ago, Ocean Boy said:

I don't even put up an umbrella when I am in NYC and it starts raining.😊

Or one can avoid NY altogether and stay dry...

[Airbear232]

[Ocean Boy]

26 minutes ago, CRUISEFAN0001 said:

Or one can avoid NY altogether and stay dry...

I love NYC.

[CRUISEFAN0001]

1 minute ago, Ocean Boy said:

I love NYC.

It's just another place....but one that's not doing well in the pandemic unfortunately...

 

 

[time4u2go]

1 hour ago, Milwaukee Eight said:

I really can’t believe you posted this. Authored by Chinese from a Hospital in China. 

Makes one wonder about your Zip Code. 

 

Do they have zip codes in China? 😁

[Ocean Boy]

2 minutes ago, CRUISEFAN0001 said:

It's just another place....but one that's not doing well in the pandemic unfortunately...

 

 

But it isn't just another place to me. Do you get some kind of kick out of being contrary?

[CRUISEFAN0001]

5 minutes ago, Ocean Boy said:

But it isn't just another place to me. Do you get some kind of kick out of being contrary?

Glad you like NY. Not everyone does. We enjoyed every one of our visits there. No one was contrarian.

 

There's a reason a window has 2 sides...to see more than one view. That's not a bad thing.

[Milwaukee Eight]

Walt Disney World to open mid July and Sea World June 11. 
 

Masks will be required at both locations. 

[HBE4]

53 minutes ago, hazence said:

I don’t think the pandemic is a hoax/conspiracy. I just don’t put up my umbrella because it’s raining in NYC. 

 

But at least you own an umbrella just in case it starts to rain. 😉

 

Which is different from someone who refuses to own an umbrella b/c it only rains on someone else.

[CRUISEFAN0001]

Just now, Milwaukee Eight said:

Walt Disney World to open mid July and Sea World June 11. 
 

Masks will be required at both locations. 

 

Oh no !!!!