Masks probably required

[ECCruise]

9 minutes ago, D C said:

Interesting. Missed that before.

Lots of citations, but relatively few of them evaluated the mask vs no mask scenario.

 

Even the authors of the linked article say, "we don't recommend them because we're not sure if they help". 

 

(GAH! I typed in the quote and now can't edit.  Not a fan of the quoting on this forum. Sure would like the old way back)

That citation is almost 3 months old (from beginning of March)

The world has changed in those 80 days or so.

CDC recommends face covering now.   Common sense recommends face covering now.

That's enough for me.  If I am wrong, I've invested a couple bucks in masks and the 5 seconds it takes to affix it to my face.

If the "no mask" cadre is wrong....

[Midwestgal]

I would definitely wait to cruise if masks are required...won’t do it! 
I have no problem wearing one here in my homes state but I’ll pass going on vacation if it’s required.

[xpcdoojk]

You vill comply... or vee shall use force to make u comply.  Submit, u must.  

 

I wear a mask out of respect.  Those who force those who don’t have zero respect.

 

jc

[coffeebean]

15 hours ago, bouhunter said:

I stuff it in my pocket and put it on when I have to.  

That will work to protect others so I'm good with that. You should be a bit more diligent in keeping the inside of your mask clean so you are better protected from a contaminated mask.

[Mallefiscent]

12 hours ago, broberts said:

 

Based on this logic I can only presume the author ignores speed limits, stop signs, and traffic lights when driving.

 

It is fact that one can have COVID-19 and not know it. It is fact that such a person can infect others. Like obeying traffic laws, following public health directives is a civic duty. Just because one doesn't agree with a particular speed limit does not make it okay to speed. Just because one doesn't agree with a mask wearing directive does not make it okay to not wear a mask. 

 

Obeying all the laws doesn't guarantee there won't be an accident.  That is why things are called "accidents".  No one means them to happen.   The person I was responding to stated that it doesn't matter whether one intended to hurt someone else or not.  

[CRUISEFAN0001]

12 hours ago, ECCruise said:

That citation is almost 3 months old (from beginning of March)

The world has changed in those 80 days or so.

CDC recommends face covering now.   Common sense recommends face covering now.

That's enough for me.  If I am wrong, I've invested a couple bucks in masks and the 5 seconds it takes to affix it to my face.

If the "no mask" cadre is wrong....

Bravo!

[L454S]

12 hours ago, ECCruise said:

That citation is almost 3 months old (from beginning of March)

The world has changed in those 80 days or so.

CDC recommends face covering now.   Common sense recommends face covering now.

That's enough for me.  If I am wrong, I've invested a couple bucks in masks and the 5 seconds it takes to affix it to my face.

If the "no mask" cadre is wrong....

 

Common sense means thinking for yourself, not being a sheep.....bah!!!

[mworkman]

8 hours ago, xpcdoojk said:

You vill comply... or vee shall use force to make u comply.  Submit, u must.  

 

I wear a mask out of respect.  Those who force those who don’t have zero respect.

 

jc

That's the biggest load of BS i've ever heard!!!! Bahaaaaa

[hazence]

Useful CDC reminder that the purpose of medical face masks is specific to splashes, sprays and wounds in hospital environment. They are not intended for or useful against viruses.
.https://wwwnc.cdc.gov/eid/article/26/5/19-0994_article#tnF2 …

[xpcdoojk]

1 hour ago, mworkman said:

That's the biggest load of BS i've ever heard!!!! Bahaaaaa

 

Said those who love exercising authority.  

[Milwaukee Eight]

1 hour ago, hazence said:

Useful CDC reminder that the purpose of medical face masks is specific to splashes, sprays and wounds in hospital environment. They are not intended for or useful against viruses.
.https://wwwnc.cdc.gov/eid/article/26/5/19-0994_article#tnF2 …

You font is unreadable on my iPhone. Was your post about your Zip Code?

[hazence]

1 minute ago, Milwaukee Eight said:

You font is unreadable on my iPhone. Was your post about your Zip Code?

No...I’m always careful to post about my zip code in fonts everyone can read. 😎 This was just a little friendly provocation to get things moving again today on the Mask thread.

[mworkman]

9 minutes ago, xpcdoojk said:

 

Said those who love exercising authority.  

 

It's called...everybody loves a fighting story, nobody cares about a story of someone that's held up in their home in a fetal position waiting on someone else to brave it out. 

Sadly you mistake that a authority, when in fact it's called freedom.

Edited May 27, 2020 by mworkman

[Milwaukee Eight]

1 minute ago, hazence said:

No...I’m always careful to post about my zip code in fonts everyone can read. 😎 This was just a little friendly provocation to get things moving again today on the Mask thread.

Doesn’t do much for that when you post with a nearly unreadable font. 

[hazence]

https://wwwnc.cdc.gov/eid/article/26/5/19-0994_article#tnF2

 

 

Face Masks

Figure 2. Meta-analysis of risk ratios for the effect of face mask use with or without enhanced hand hygiene on laboratory-confirmed influenza from 10 randomized controlled trials with >6,500 participants. A) Face mask...

 

 

In our systematic review, we identified 10 RCTs that reported estimates of the effectiveness of face masks in reducing laboratory-confirmed influenza virus infections in the community from literature published during 1946–July 27, 2018. In pooled analysis, we found no significant reduction in influenza transmission with the use of face masks (RR 0.78, 95% CI 0.51–1.20; I2 = 30%, p = 0.25) (Figure 2).

 

One study evaluated the use of masks among pilgrims from Australia during the Hajj pilgrimage and reported no major difference in the risk for laboratory-confirmed influenza virus infection in the control or mask group (33).

 

Two studies in university settings assessed the effectiveness of face masks for primary protection by monitoring the incidence of laboratory-confirmed influenza among student hall residents for 5 months (9,10). The overall reduction in ILI or laboratory-confirmed influenza cases in the face mask group was not significant in either studies (9,10).

 

Study designs in the 7 household studies were slightly different: 1 study provided face masks and P2 respirators for household contacts only (34), another study evaluated face mask use as a source control for infected persons only (35), and the remaining studies provided masks for the infected persons as well as their close contacts (11–13,15,17). None of the household studies reported a significant reduction in secondary laboratory-confirmed influenza virus infections in the face mask group (11–13,15,17,34,35)

 

. Most studies were underpowered because of limited sample size, and some studies also reported suboptimal adherence in the face mask group.

 

 

Disposable medical masks (also known as surgical masks) are loose-fitting devices that were designed to be worn by medical personnel to protect accidental contamination of patient wounds, and to protect the wearer against splashes or sprays of bodily fluids (36).

 

There is limited evidence for their effectiveness in preventing influenza virus transmission either when worn by the infected person for source control or when worn by uninfected persons to reduce exposure. Our systematic review found no significant effect of face masks on transmission of laboratory-confirmed influenza.

Edited May 27, 2020 by hazence

[CRUISEFAN0001]

4 minutes ago, mworkman said:

Sadly you mistake that a authority, when in fact it's called freedom.

Freedom includes a mutual respect of and from authority.

 

Freedom includes the right to do the smart thing, the right thing, the best thing for your fellow citizens, and even the recommended thing. 

 

Yes, it also provides for the right to do the dumb thing, the careless thing, the uncaring thing, the self-harming thing, and the like...but there is obviously an over-abundance of adopters with those mindsets already. We are regularly made aware that doing the stupid thing has different consequences than doing the proven-wise thing, despite the freedom to do the foolish thing.

 

 

[Ourusualbeach]

Here are the plans that the Bahamas Paradise Cruise Line just released for their planned return to cruising on July 25th.

 

While it does list several different instances where crew will be wearing masks it does not list any requirements for guests to wear masks.
 

 

 

New Procedures: 

Embarkation and disembarkation:

• All guests required to practice social distancing from valet parking to terminal check-in
• All terminal staff members will be monitored and required to wear masks and remain behind safety plexiglass for minimal contact
• Passenger luggage will be disinfected prior to onboard delivery
• Mandatory touch-free temperature checks and pre-boarding health declarations for all guests
• Extensive sanitization and disinfection processes at entry of port terminal, ships, and passenger walkway areas
• Online check-in for guests, who will receive designated arrival times at cruise terminal to streamline embarkation and minimize crowds in port

Guest accommodations:

• Sanitization of all cabins with hospital-grade disinfectants
• Fogging of vacant cabins and twice-daily wipe down of hallways
• Disinfection of guest bathrooms with heavy-duty alkaline cleaner
• Timely housekeeping cabin turnover with sheets and linens cleaned and disinfected at sterilizing temperatures

Common areas:

• All onboard public areas will undergo a two-tier sanitization process, which includes cleansing and fogging using hospital-grade disinfectant. Frequency includes elevators every two hours and public areas and facilities up to ten times per day
• Frequently touched areas, including handrails, table-tops, and door handles will be sterilized every hour
• All floors will be disinfected with a heavy-duty neutral PH floor cleaning solution
• All onboard areas will include fully stocked self-service hand sanitizer stations 

Food hygiene:

• All restaurants and bar areas will be cleaned and sanitized three times a day
• Self-service buffet stations have been suspended; all food and beverage will be served by crew members wearing face masks, hats, aprons, and gloves
• Tables and seating areas will keep guests six feet apart to facilitate social distancing
• Stringent procurement guidelines will be enforced, and products from certain regions will be prohibited 

Entertainment and recreation:

• Theatres will be thoroughly sanitized before and after each show
• Kids’ Club facilities will be cleaned twice per day
• Spa and gym areas will be sanitized before and after each use, including common areas within these facilities twice daily
• Tour buses for excursions will be reduced to 50 percent capacity, sanitized frequently, and tour operators will be trained using guidelines from the World Health Organization (WHO)
• Casino players per table will be restricted to ensure social distancing and slot machines will be positioned to separate players 

Practices and standards for crew members:

• Twice daily temperature checks
• All frontline crew are required to wear face masks, and all food service crew serving guests in the buffet are required to wear disposable hats, aprons, masks, and gloves
• Housekeeping and food and beverage crew are required to wear both disposable gloves and masks. The disposal of all gloves and masks will align with the CDC’s guidelines
• All crew will be required to use antibacterial hand soap for at least 20 seconds to sanitize hands
• All crew members are required to practice social distancing, and each crew member will be allocated their own cabin onboard the ships 

Medical center:

• Isolated wards available in the medical center for ill guests or those who are concerned that they have been exposed to COVID-19
• Contaminated items and medical waste will be properly sealed and disposed of according to the CDC’s guidelines
• Used face masks and protective equipment will be disposed of at designated central collection points
• Medical equipment and waste bins will be thoroughly cleaned, disinfected, and washed twice daily with hospital-grade disinfectants 

Fresh air ventilation system:

• Implemented a fresh air ventilation system to ensure healthy air quality in all onboard cabins and common areas
• All air filters and cooling coils will be thoroughly checked, cleaned and replaced as needed

[mworkman]

2 minutes ago, CRUISEFAN0001 said:

Freedom includes a mutual respect of and from authority.

 

Freedom includes the right to do the smart thing, the right thing, the best thing for your fellow citizens, and even the recommended thing. 

 

Yes, it also provides for the right to do the dumb thing, the careless thing, the uncaring thing, the self-harming thing, and the like...but there is obviously an over-abundance of adopters with those mindsets already. We are regularly made aware that doing the stupid thing has different consequences than doing the proven-wise thing, despite the freedom to do the foolish thing.

 

 

 

Sometime the recommended things aren't what's best for you, but for them? By collecting all the facts and decipher what's true and relevant, opposed to the blindly following the masses makes higher survivability on your part.  Sometimes you have to question as the WHY, to unfold the nature behind what's best.

 

[F27TW]

Oh, no  .. . i see a new obnoxious chant by crewmembers on the horizon .. akin to the "Washy-Washy.. no washy, no foody .. no foody, no happy" routine we've been forced to hear thousands of times in that chirpy annoying manner .. 

 

Wonder what the "lyrics" to  "Masky-Masky" are gonna be., 

[CRUISEFAN0001]

11 minutes ago, mworkman said:

By collecting all the facts and decipher what's true and relevant, opposed to the blindly following the masses makes higher survivability on your part. 

Then again...WHO's facts one believes come into play of course. People can just as easily fall into the trap of following the masses into their own personal armageddon.

 

It appears there's agreement on one front...it comes down to choices. If one choice involves some degree of safety and the other only risk...it simplifies the choice considerably.

[Milwaukee Eight]

17 minutes ago, Ourusualbeach said:

Mandatory touch-free temperature checks and pre-boarding health declarations for all guests

I think this is pretty useless. It hasn’t been established yet the link between Asymptomatic infected and infecting others. Only those with symptomatic issues might have a fever. 
 

Who is going to tell the truth on a health declarations. As has been seen here, many will Cruise regardless of their health. 
 

This is my opinion 

[Ocean Boy]

54 minutes ago, Milwaukee Eight said:

You font is unreadable on my iPhone. Was your post about your Zip Code?

I struggled through it. No zip code included.🙂

[time4u2go]

11 minutes ago, Milwaukee Eight said:

I think this is pretty useless. It hasn’t been established yet the link between Asymptomatic infected and infecting others. Only those with symptomatic issues might have a fever. 
 

Who is going to tell the truth on a health declarations. As has been seen here, many will Cruise regardless of their health. 
 

This is my opinion 

But wait, wasn't there a case that someone posted about recently where one asymptomatic person somewhere was around a lot of people, and none of them got sick?  Doesn't that mean that no asymptomatic person anywhere can ever infect anybody? 😏

Edited May 27, 2020 by time4u2go

[Milwaukee Eight]

2 minutes ago, Ocean Boy said:

I struggled through it. No zip code included.🙂

Some people’s eyesight is better than others. Surgery next week on right eye to improve mine. 

[CRUISEFAN0001]

13 minutes ago, F27TW said:

Oh, no  .. . i see a new obnoxious chant by crewmembers on the horizon .. akin to the "Washy-Washy.. no washy, no foody .. no foody, no happy" routine we've been forced to hear thousands of times in that chirpy annoying manner .. 

 

Wonder what the "lyrics" to  "Masky-Masky" are gonna be., 

Remember the tune for this...

 

 

You shouldn't spread your germs...

So follow your pre-cruise terms...

And wear a mask to please all aboard...

So they don't jump overboard...

 

Wear a mask... 

 

 

Edited May 27, 2020 by CRUISEFAN0001