Rare Presto2 Posted July 4, 2020 #451 Share Posted July 4, 2020 24 minutes ago, molecrochip said: A very fair post. Though I have worked my way though lots of tissues tonight I don't blame P&O at all. It must be a nightmare at the minute for them. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Josy1953 Posted July 4, 2020 #452 Share Posted July 4, 2020 2 hours ago, drsel said: Oceana is not likely to be sold this year at least. I have a cruise booked early November They have sold ships in the past when cruises had already been sold on them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Manx buoy Posted July 4, 2020 #453 Share Posted July 4, 2020 1 hour ago, No pager thank you said: I agree, of course it's commercially orientated and the way the business is run; P&O will collect the flak on behalf of the Corporation. However if a sale or transfer of ownership/scrappage has already been agreed/signed, if not announced, then you can't continue to advertise a product for further sales now which is not now, and is not intended actually be available. People think that "product" is advertised as a holiday on board a particular ship. I just feel sorry in particular for anyone who is using "Super Saturday" to book a Winter Sun holiday to the Gulf on Oceana. I know that they did it with Adonia and Oriana - just good fortune for P&O that no regulator appears to be bothered. The announcement if/when it’s made will say P&O have today reached agreement and signed a deal with ########### to take the ship of our hands if you think any different that’s up to you Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
No pager thank you Posted July 4, 2020 #454 Share Posted July 4, 2020 56 minutes ago, Britboys said: Once they have a buyer of some sort, before they can announce to the world that she is going, they need to have firm plans of what options are available to pax booked on her - they can't just say to pax " your cruise is cancelled and we don't know what we can offer you". I'm no fan of P&O HQ but I can see that it may not be very easy for them when possibly dancing to Carnival Corp's tune. I agree that this is a fair post too and in all these matters it is easy to misalign comment between P&O and Carnival Corp. Let's say that the current situation is "ambiguous" but also that there is something in this. A good strategy would be for Oceana to become either temporarily "unavailable" for new bookings, or "sold out," or the fluid pricing model adjusted to temporarily dissuade bookings, in the same way that an airline does with its last few seats, or a car insurance broker does when it would prefer not to accept your risk i.e. hyper inflate the price. This would depend on the brand's control of the situation versus the corporation, but would appear to be a fairer strategy on potential new customers, as opposed to those who existing customers who are already booked and will need the strategy communicated to them, when it has had chance to form. It's this part of it (new customers) where I have less sympathy for HQ, the above rider notwithstanding. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Adawn47 Posted July 4, 2020 #455 Share Posted July 4, 2020 1 hour ago, grapau27 said: Oceana leaving Newcastle on July 4th2020 VID_20200704_182907.mp4 What a sad sight. I can't believe I'm actually tearful watching her leave and telling us all goodbye. This is so silly. How can a grown woman cry over a ship? We have some good memories of her including our golden wedding anniversary celebration. Goodbye Oceana. 💕 Avril 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Britboys Posted July 4, 2020 #456 Share Posted July 4, 2020 I don't know why but we do get attached to ships. The last time I was in Southampton (on a short Azura cruise), Oriana departed and I knew it was the last time I would see her. My eyes were somewhat moist as I watched her sail out... 5 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
No pager thank you Posted July 4, 2020 #457 Share Posted July 4, 2020 32 minutes ago, Manx buoy said: The announcement if/when it’s made will say P&O have today reached agreement and signed a deal with ########### to take the ship of our hands if you think any different that’s up to you Of course Manc, the content of the announcement will be very likely as you outline. The content of the announcement could (or might not) differ from the truth, for instance if some sort of disposal deal has been done and it is pending announcement at some future date, for one or other reasons. I don't know this to be the case to be honest, same as everyone else. Just working from the information posted earlier. The crux of it will be making sure that no one identifies the difference between the announcement and its timing, versus the truth, should (in reality) the two actually be in any way significantly different. Essentially, my view is that a well-run business should not contract with new customers if it either currently knows that it is unable to, or instead is not wanting to, fulfil the order based on its determined strategy. Just not a good idea if you want to keep custom. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
drsel Posted July 4, 2020 #458 Share Posted July 4, 2020 So will PO replace Oceana in the middle East with another ship? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
showingdiva Posted July 4, 2020 #459 Share Posted July 4, 2020 50 minutes ago, Adawn47 said: What a sad sight. I can't believe I'm actually tearful watching her leave and telling us all goodbye. This is so silly. How can a grown woman cry over a ship? We have some good memories of her including our golden wedding anniversary celebration. Goodbye Oceana. 💕 Avril Because we do. The first time I saw Arcadia after my late mother's death, I was virtually inconsolable. Either we imagine their personalities, or some appear to actually have individual quirks. Lovely goodbye to the Tyne by Oceana. Whatever her fate, and wherever that is, she's clearly got a lot of people who have wonderful memories of her. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
drsel Posted July 4, 2020 #460 Share Posted July 4, 2020 Oceana will be leaving Port of Tyne on September 15 https://www.chroniclelive.co.uk/whats-on/travel-tourism/po-oceana-ship-north-shields-18400124 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DS_Dean Posted July 4, 2020 #461 Share Posted July 4, 2020 2 minutes ago, drsel said: Oceana will be leaving Port of Tyne on September 15 She has already left Tyne 😕 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Manx buoy Posted July 4, 2020 #462 Share Posted July 4, 2020 19 minutes ago, No pager thank you said: Of course Manc, the content of the announcement will be very likely as you outline. The content of the announcement could (or might not) differ from the truth, for instance if some sort of disposal deal has been done and it is pending announcement at some future date, for one or other reasons. I don't know this to be the case to be honest, same as everyone else. Just working from the information posted earlier. The crux of it will be making sure that no one identifies the difference between the announcement and its timing, versus the truth, should (in reality) the two actually be in any way significantly different. Essentially, my view is that a well-run business should not contract with new customers if it either currently knows that it is unable to, or instead is not wanting to, fulfil the order based on its determined strategy. Just not a good idea if you want to keep custom. Can’t disagree with what your saying about keeping customers informed but in the real world it will never happen did Flybe or Monarch tell their pax don’t bother booking we’re going bust in 18 hours? No they didn’t. At any time all the ships are for sale at the right price whether for scrap or future use so don’t think the companies think about us SLF for one second 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
drsel Posted July 4, 2020 #463 Share Posted July 4, 2020 Where is Oceana headed so early? The cruise season starts on 16th October for P&O.Why did it leave Port of Tyne? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DS_Dean Posted July 4, 2020 #464 Share Posted July 4, 2020 Her destination after Southampton shows as Local coastal. Maybe she is just joining the rest of the fleet at anchor? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
grapau27 Posted July 4, 2020 #465 Share Posted July 4, 2020 1 hour ago, Adawn47 said: What a sad sight. I can't believe I'm actually tearful watching her leave and telling us all goodbye. This is so silly. How can a grown woman cry over a ship? We have some good memories of her including our golden wedding anniversary celebration. Goodbye Oceana. 💕 Avril I understand. What a fantastic Golden Wedding celebration you must have had to have it on Oceana. Oceana was blowing her horn all the way down river as if to say farewell. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
drsel Posted July 4, 2020 #466 Share Posted July 4, 2020 Her destination after Southampton shows as Local coastal. Maybe she is just joining the rest of the fleet at anchor?Thanks so there is no evidence of PO Oceana being sold or discarded, correct? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Britboys Posted July 4, 2020 #467 Share Posted July 4, 2020 8 minutes ago, drsel said: 14 minutes ago, DS_Dean said: Her destination after Southampton shows as Local coastal. Maybe she is just joining the rest of the fleet at anchor? Thanks so there is no evidence of PO Oceana being sold or discarded, correct? There is anecdotal evidence that her future with P&O is pretty short but there is no concrete evidence. With regard to replacement, it has long been thought that when/if Gala/Iona 2 comes on stream, Oceana would go. The pandemic crisis has of course cast doubt over the future of many ships - old, new and future. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Son of Anarchy Posted July 4, 2020 #468 Share Posted July 4, 2020 1 hour ago, Adawn47 said: What a sad sight. I can't believe I'm actually tearful watching her leave and telling us all goodbye. This is so silly. How can a grown woman cry over a ship? We have some good memories of her including our golden wedding anniversary celebration. Goodbye Oceana. 💕 Avril My dad was a merchant seaman from South Shields. Had he sailed as either crew or passenger on the lovely Oceana I'm sure he would have been tearful as well. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
molecrochip Posted July 4, 2020 #469 Share Posted July 4, 2020 27 minutes ago, drsel said: 34 minutes ago, DS_Dean said: Her destination after Southampton shows as Local coastal. Maybe she is just joining the rest of the fleet at anchor? Thanks so there is no evidence of PO Oceana being sold or discarded, correct? No concrete evidence but those posting do so in good faith I’m sure. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Britboys Posted July 4, 2020 #470 Share Posted July 4, 2020 1 minute ago, molecrochip said: No concrete evidence but those posting do so in good faith I’m sure. Absolutely. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jeanlyon Posted July 4, 2020 #471 Share Posted July 4, 2020 Who has said she leaving the fleet. I can't find an announcement? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
emam Posted July 4, 2020 #472 Share Posted July 4, 2020 1 hour ago, grapau27 said: Oceana was blowing her horn all the way down river as if to say farewell. It must have been great to see. I have just come on here and seen the posts, so missed her. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
grapau27 Posted July 4, 2020 #473 Share Posted July 4, 2020 (edited) 7 minutes ago, emam said: It must have been great to see. I have just come on here and seen the posts, so missed her. Hope you enjoyed the video of Oceana leaving. She was blowing her horn most of the way down the Tyne and it was lovely seeing her sailing again. Edited July 4, 2020 by grapau27 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wowzz Posted July 4, 2020 #474 Share Posted July 4, 2020 As a matter of interest, in the current environment, who would want to buy Oceana? She is a medium size ship, so no good for boutique lines and the balcony cabins are small. So, I suppose a casino ship for the Far East? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wowzz Posted July 4, 2020 #475 Share Posted July 4, 2020 5 hours ago, drsel said: Oceana is not likely to be sold this year at least. I have a cruise booked early November Somehow I doubt that Carnival HQ took your November booking into account when making a multi million dollar decision! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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