Carnival Now Says They Expect 13 Ships To Leave Their Fleet

[BlerkOne]

1 hour ago, quattrohead said:

Judging by the price of those California based cruises, none of them are going to be sailing, apparently no one want's to.

 

Prices for the first cruise seem quite high. The rest look normal.

[drsel]

It now appears that CMV in Britain is done. What will happen to the Pacific Aria and Pacific Dawn of P&O (Australia) - a Carnival company - which were scheduled to be sold to CMV?

I don't think they have the funds to pay for these two ships

[RD64]

No they don’t - they just filed for administration today.

[ch09]

9 minutes ago, RD64 said:

It now appears that CMV in Britain is done. What will happen to the Pacific Aria and Pacific Dawn of P&O (Australia) - a Carnival company - which were scheduled to be sold to CMV?

Probably scrap or sold to the new venture with the remaining S ships. Carnival will scrap the Magellan if they get it back from CMV.

Edited July 20, 2020 by ch09

[jimbo5544]

This company was supposed to take some of Carnival Corps ships...the dominos are starting to fall.

 

https://www.cruiseindustrynews.com/cruise-news/23261-cruise-maritime-voyages-placed-into-administration.html

[ch09]

1 hour ago, quattrohead said:

Judging by the price of those California based cruises, none of them are going to be sailing, apparently no one want's to.

If the Conquest replaced both the Imagination and Inspiration, that would still be big  capacity cut.

[drsel]

three small Cruise lines already into bankruptcy. how many more to go?

[BlerkOne]

40 minutes ago, drsel said:

three small Cruise lines already into bankruptcy. how many more to go?

 

This isn't the first time and probably won't be the last. A number of mismanaged businesses are likely to fall.

[BlerkOne]

1 hour ago, jimbo5544 said:

This company was supposed to take some of Carnival Corps ships...the dominos are starting to fall.

 

https://www.cruiseindustrynews.com/cruise-news/23261-cruise-maritime-voyages-placed-into-administration.html

 

A perfect opportunity for Carnival to get the Holiday back!

 

Edited July 20, 2020 by BlerkOne

[Bgcruising]

9 minutes ago, BlerkOne said:

 

A perfect opportunity for Carnival to get the Holiday back!

 

 

Why does it look like its leaning??

[BlerkOne]

1 minute ago, Bgcruising said:

 

Why does it look like its leaning??

 

For the same reason the wake isn't directly behind the ship.

[Joe817]

3 minutes ago, Bgcruising said:

 

Why does it look like its leaning??

My guess is, it's turning starboard. 

[Essiesmom]

13 minutes ago, BlerkOne said:

 

A perfect opportunity for Carnival to get the Holiday back!

 

Or for Bahamas Paradise to pick her up to go with Celebration...

[BlerkOne]

2 minutes ago, Essiesmom said:

Or for Bahamas Paradise to pick her up to go with Celebration...

 

True, but Bahamas is on a growing list of countries not allowing Americans in.

[coffeeboy77]

19 hours ago, EscapeFromConnecticut said:

The way the cruise lines are operating now is what you'd see from the just-about-to-lose player in Monopoly:

-- Scrap/sell big chunks of the fleet

-- Mortgage the rest of it

-- Meanwhile, keep up the Ponzi scheme of selling cabins on cruises that will never sail ... and using the deposits to keep the executives' $$ flowing while refundIng a few disappointed customers from three months earlier.

Thanks to gross incompetence by cruise execs and CLIA, the industry is ONLY NOW beginning to get serious about how it will have to adapt to resume operations. 

Could the lawyers & beancounters keep alive some shell corporations through years of bankruptcy? Sure. But those who flew Pan Am in its final years ... and those who've shopped dying department stores in their final months ... know what a disaster that is. The name and logo remain,  but nothing else is like it was: The operation is tired and shoddy, staff morale is wrecked, the overall experience is like a discount funeral.

Any intelligent cruisers who hope to sail again in 2021 should direct their complaints toward the real culprits: the empty suits at CLIA and the failing exec teams at CCL, RCI and NCL.

Some good points.  However, a great many companies went through bankruptcy protection and came out of it very well, even stronger.  Marvel comes to mind.  Six Flags did ok.  At one point, Apple was completely broke and debt ridden.  Who could have predicted a one year shutdown, with zero revenue, five years ago? Even one year ago...nobody.   Chapter 11 might just be the smart play for the big 3. Time will tell, we’ll probably see.

 

[jimbo5544]

48 minutes ago, BlerkOne said:

 

A perfect opportunity for Carnival to get the Holiday back!

 

It did occur to me

[ch09]

24 minutes ago, jimbo5544 said:

It did occur to me

Most likely it’s dest

 

1 hour ago, BlerkOne said:

 

A perfect opportunity for Carnival to get the Holiday back!

 

Most likely it is headed to Turkey to join its old Fantasy class ship sisters to be broken up after 35 years of service.

Edited July 20, 2020 by ch09

[xDisconnections]

2 hours ago, ch09 said:

Most likely it’s dest

 

Most likely it is headed to Turkey to join its old Fantasy class ship sisters to be broken up after 35 years of service.

I'd say so.

 

Carnival doesn't want that back.

Edited July 21, 2020 by xDisconnections

[BlerkOne]

Iberocruceros spent a fortune renovating Celebration and Holiday. Even Costa might want them back.

[tidecat]

The decision Carnival has to make is whether to go ahead with the transformations of Star Princess and Golden Princess to Pacific Adventure and Pacific Encounter for the Australian market. If the Princess ships don't move over, Carnival could keep Pacific Aria and Pacific Eden deployed. Alternatively, they could sell the two to another operator (or for scrap) which leaves P&O Australia with exactly one ship. Does Carnival finish off the P&O brand in Australia? 

[woodscruise]

Pacific Eden was already transferred to CMV and is now sailing as Vasco Da Gama.

The ships to be transferred in 2021 were the Pacific Aria ex Ryndam (to be renamed as Ida Pfeiffer) and Pacific Dawn ex Regal Princess (to be renamed Amy Johnson).

Because CMV is now in liquidation any thoughts on the future of these ships?

 

[KmomChicago]

2 hours ago, woodscruise said:

Pacific Eden was already transferred to CMV and is now sailing as Vasco Da Gama.

The ships to be transferred in 2021 were the Pacific Aria ex Ryndam (to be renamed as Ida Pfeiffer) and Pacific Dawn ex Regal Princess (to be renamed Amy Johnson).

Because CMV is now in liquidation any thoughts on the future of these ships?

 

My thought is these ships likely have no future.

[stormy_weatherman]

19 hours ago, Stick93 said:

Where will they take a conquest ship from??

You may be left with one very expensively priced ship - at least its will be from the newest!

 

 

Exactly. Plus they were consistently sailing the Inspiration/Imagination routes at bargain prices. I don't see them taking away ships from home ports that would make more $$$ to struggle to fill it on a 3-day sailing on the West Coast. 

[jimbo5544]

The fact is that Carnival was over saturated in the Caribbean to support their many home port logic.  I would think some of the less than swamped (read that as less profitable) might dry up when this is said and done.  

[ch09]

2 hours ago, stormy_weatherman said:

Exactly. Plus they were consistently sailing the Inspiration/Imagination routes at bargain prices. I don't see them taking away ships from home ports that would make more $$$ to struggle to fill it on a 3-day sailing on the West Coast. 

Carnival has been serving the 3/4 day route out of LA since the early 1990’s when the Holiday started doing that route. Carnival will not abandon that market. I think it will come at the expense of either Galveston or Fort Lauderdale. There will likely be other ship swaps along with it. The conquest doing it only decreases the number of beds by a lot.

Edited July 21, 2020 by ch09