Ships to sail at reduced capacity until AT LEAST 2022

[SDPadreFan]

2 minutes ago, xDisconnections said:

 

You’re paying the minimum stateroom price which is based on the average rate for two passengers. It’s fair for the cruise lines to price this way.

So if a stateroom costs $1000 - that would be $500 per person. 3 people would be 1500 (500 X 3). 4 people would be $2000, to be fair. I could work with that since my wife & I are just 2. Carnival would love it though.

[Earthworm Jim]

Did they mean the ships will sail at reduced capacity (fewer people per ship), or that the cruise line will have less capacity (fewer ships sailing)?

 

I assume the former, but without seeing the source material it's hard to say for sure.

[Lottacruises]

Here we go just speculating and guessing, trying to rationalize if scenarios

[skridge]

40 minutes ago, SDPadreFan said:

But it is ok to charge a single person almost double? Or a widower simply because their spouse passed away. Because that is the current situation. Doesn't effect me, I'm married to my life mate, but I do understand Saint Greg's point of view. Deals for families are ok, but not for individuals. By what rational?

Because they advertise themselves as a family cruise line.  If they screw the families it kind of goes against who they are.  Just my opinion.  They don't market themselves as the cruise line for widowers and single occupancy cruisers.

[Cafedumonde]

1 hour ago, skridge said:

I don't think Carnival will be able to call themselves a family cruise line if they make it so families could not sail together.

 

1 hour ago, Saint Greg said:

 

They can. They would just have to buy two rooms. A lot of families do it that way already.

We do 2 rooms with kids.  

[Saint Greg]

57 minutes ago, xDisconnections said:

All inclusive resorts or special member exclusive offers that provide a daily food and beverage credit don’t fall under the lodging industry?

I guess I’m not a special member because I’ve stayed at hundreds of hotels and none of them have covered all of my meals and entertainment unless they were a casino expecting to get it back at the tables. And none of them charge extra for a third person.

 

Edited July 11, 2020 by Saint Greg

[SDPadreFan]

Actually skridge - they market themselves as the FUN cruise line. I'm guessing widower's and single people like to have fun. We like Carnival for just this reason. Even the old folks like to have fun. That's generally true with RCCL but not as much and definitely not true with Celebrity in OUR experience. We like being around people who are fun, like to engage in conversation, and like to laugh. On Carnival - we have found that to include people of all ages.

Edited July 11, 2020 by SDPadreFan

[Cafedumonde]

I suspect they are paying lip service like airlines which I fully support.

[coevan]

9 minutes ago, Saint Greg said:

I guess I’m not a special member because I’ve stayed at hundreds of hotels and none of them have covered all of my meals and entertainment unless they were a casino expecting to get it back at the tables. And none of them charge extra for a third person.

 

 

You do not have to be special to go to an A.I. Meals, liquor and entertainment is included. We love them, always our go to, until cruising resumes where I am in  not fear of getting extremely ill.

[xDisconnections]

21 minutes ago, Saint Greg said:

I guess I’m not a special member because I’ve stayed at hundreds of hotels and none of them have covered all of my meals and entertainment unless they were a casino expecting to get it back at the tables. And none of them charge extra for a third person.

 

 

9 minutes ago, coevan said:

 

 

You do not have to be special to go to an A.I. Meals, liquor and entertainment is included. We love them, always our go to, until cruising resumes where I am in  not fear of getting extremely ill.

F&B offerings are extremely common in the lodging industry. Whether it is a club lounge, a $100 F&B credit for your loyalty (Loews YouFirst)or an MEO/LPR rate that includes F&B credit or alcohol/food amenity, it’s pretty standard. You’ll even find inflated nightly rates with the F&B credit included as companies will sooner allow you to expense a higher room/tax rate than a higher F&B.

 

As @coevan suggested and included in my original example, all inclusive resorts have everything advertised as being included. You’re paying for the room and amenities are part of your room rate as they are considered entitlements.

 

It’s entirely acceptable for cruise lines to price as they do for single passengers.

Edited July 11, 2020 by xDisconnections

[Saint Greg]

1 minute ago, xDisconnections said:

 

F&B offerings are extremely common in the lodging industry. Whether it is a club lounge, a $100 F&B credit for your loyalty (Loews YouFirst)or an MEO/LPR rate that includes F&B credit or alcohol/food amenity, it’s pretty standard. You’ll even find inflated nightly rates with the F&B credit included as companies will sooner allow you to expense a higher room/tax rate than a higher F&B.

 

As @coevan suggested and included in my original example, all inclusive resorts have everything advertised as being included. You’re paying for the room and amenities are part of your room rate as they are considered entitlements.

 

It’s entirely acceptable for cruise lines to price as they do for single passengers.

Sure. I’ve had meals covered in a club lounge..paying an extra $50-100 for it though.

[BlerkOne]

1 hour ago, Saint Greg said:

 

If the price just covered the room it would be fair. Since the price covers food, entertainment, and usage of their facilities, the price should be less than double.

 

 

It is. There is only one set of port taxes and fees. Also tips, and a steward needs to service the cabin whether one person or two. Carnival usually gives cabins away and on board spend is what they depend on for profit. In general 2 people spend more than 1. A case could be made that singles should pay more than double.

[xDisconnections]

2 minutes ago, Saint Greg said:

Sure. I’ve had meals covered in a club lounge..paying an extra $50-100 for it though.

And those meals are included in your club upgrade fee or elite benefits offering. That’s racked into your room rate as most properties sell them as Club Level Guestrooms.

Edited July 11, 2020 by xDisconnections

[Saint Greg]

3 minutes ago, BlerkOne said:

 

It is. There is only one set of port taxes and fees. Also tips, and a steward needs to service the cabin whether one person or two. Carnival usually gives cabins away and on board spend is what they depend on for profit. In general 2 people spend more than 1. A case could be made that singles should pay more than double.

Not necessarily. I buy cheers and internet every cruise. I eat in specialty restaurants. I book excursions through carnival. I bet I spend more than a lot of couples.

 

I only ask for 1 room cleaning a day and I tip extra to make up for the lack of another set of gratuities.

 

 

Edited July 11, 2020 by Saint Greg

[jimbo5544]

53 minutes ago, skridge said:

Because they advertise themselves as a family cruise line.  If they screw the families it kind of goes against who they are.  Just my opinion.  They don't market themselves as the cruise line for widowers and single occupancy cruisers.

Actually they are the fun ships, the average age of a Carnival cruiser might surprise you it is the mid 50’s.  

[Cafedumonde]

22 minutes ago, Saint Greg said:

Not necessarily. I buy cheers and internet every cruise. I eat in specialty restaurants. I book excursions through carnival. I bet I spend more than a lot of couples.

 

I only ask for 1 room cleaning a day and I tip extra to make up for the lack of another set of gratuities.

 

 

True.  We do one specialty restaurant for the cruise.  We do not book excursions through carnival.  We also never go to the casino.

no drink package either

Edited July 11, 2020 by Cafedumonde

[Saint Greg]

7 minutes ago, Cafedumonde said:

True.  We do one specialty restaurant for the cruise.  We do not book excursions through carnival.  We also never go to the casino.

no drink package either

Forgot about the casino. That can be added to my list sometimes. Nothing huge but I may drop a couple hundred there. Last year I gave them a six month interest free loan when I forgot to cash chips in.

 

 

Edited July 11, 2020 by Saint Greg

[Doggielover68]

2 hours ago, skridge said:

I don't think it is reasonable to make families pay double for there vacation.  That is just my opinion.

 

Double the people, double the cost. Why is that unfair? 

[npcl]

2 hours ago, SDPadreFan said:

If my wife passes before me, I'll just stop cruising under the current rules. After 24 years in the Navy, I'll do just fine not cruising. If I pass first - I've already given my blessing for my wife to shack up with the pool boy (not that she needs my blessing). But if she remarries, she loses my military retirement Survivor Benefit Plan benefit. So just shacking up would be the best financial decision.

the business model for mainstream cruiselines where they get 24 to 28% of revenue from inboard sales means that even if a solo cruiser pays the double per person fare compared to a cabin with 2 people in it, the cruise line loses money.  To put the numbers to it.

 

2 people per cabin paying fare x 

 

2X +  2 (.33X) =2.66X

 

Solo paying twice fare

 

2X + .33X  = 2.33X

 

basically a solo cabin results in 12.5% less revenue on average than the same cabin with 2 people.

[scpirate]

2 hours ago, skridge said:

I don't think Carnival will be able to call themselves a family cruise line if they make it so families could not sail together.

Don't worry carnival wears many hats.they cater to whoever pays the fares.

[jimbo5544]

1 minute ago, scpirate said:

Don't worry carnival wears many hats.they cater to whoever pays the fares.

Just like every other cruise line

[seaman11]

good . more hot tub space. 

[xDisconnections]

11 minutes ago, seaman11 said:

good . more hot tub space. 

Eww.

 

Reduced capacity or not, no thanks.

 

That’s almost as disgusting as a jacuzzi tub in a hotel suite.

Edited July 11, 2020 by xDisconnections

[ladylyn915]

1 hour ago, Cafedumonde said:

 

We do 2 rooms with kids.  

This is fine if your children are older or you have connecting rooms.  If your children are three and five, they are not staying in a separate cabin.

[Joebucks]

4 hours ago, xDisconnections said:

Are we even sure the general public, outside of cruising fanatics, will even want to take a cruise vacation? Cruising in my local market (less than an hour from several major cruise terminals) has been extremely popular pre-Covid but most people I talk to aren’t interested or are exploring other future vacation opportunities. They might not even have to limit capacity much if there isn’t an interest.

 

Here's what I do know

 

- I was on one of the last cruises in March. News of COVID was everywhere. If no one told you COVID existed, and you were on this ship, you would have never known. It was fairly full (even when refunds were being offered).

 

- There are people with future cruises booked. There are people wanting to cruise right now but can't. Supply is constrained due to uncertainty when cruising begins and there will be a reduction in fleet.

 

I think the big wild card is just the uncertainty in policy and procedure. You can ask a bunch of different people and get a bunch of different answers. Some are concerned for their safety. Some are concerned about cancellations. Some, forced quarantine. Some, wearing a mask. That makes it hard for people to committ