Can’t they just dock the ships at port and have people pay day passes?

[chengkp75]

Because the ship is foreign flag, in order to embark passengers (and day guests would be passengers), the ship needs to gain "clearance" to perform this operation, and to get this clearance, they need to meet the CDC requirements. In addition to what Aquahound said.

[rkacruiser]

5 minutes ago, chengkp75 said:

Because the ship is foreign flag, in order to embark passengers (and day guests would be passengers), the ship needs to gain "clearance" to perform this operation, and to get this clearance, they need to meet the CDC requirements. In addition to what Aquahound said.

 

And, then, I suspect, there would be USCG requirements for some type of a Muster Drill on a daily basis.  (One would have to be aboard by a certain time to meet that requirement?)

 

I want to give the OP some credit for doing some "thinking outside the box", however.  More of such thinking may be required before cruising begins again.  

[chengkp75]

8 minutes ago, rkacruiser said:

 

And, then, I suspect, there would be USCG requirements for some type of a Muster Drill on a daily basis.  (One would have to be aboard by a certain time to meet that requirement?)

 

I want to give the OP some credit for doing some "thinking outside the box", however.  More of such thinking may be required before cruising begins again.  

Since the ship has no intention of sailing, the muster before sailing is moot.

[pc_load_letter]

Sure, everyone on here is poo-pooing the idea because it's probably not feasible, but my wife and i was talking about this the other day because two ships are currently sitting off the coast of San Diego.

 

We go on numerous "getaways" to places like Palm Springs and we simply stay at a resort and eat around town or go to movies and drink by the pool.

 

That being said, we would totally do a day pass on a docked cruise ship. Yes, we have a pool and there are good places to eat in SD but just being on a ship is fun. If it was fully functional, like games, dining, ammnities like pools and stuff for kids, I would absolutely do it. People pay hundreds a night to stat at Hard Rock hotel in downtown San Diego and it's pool deck is not nearly as nice as some cruise ships I've been on.

[rkacruiser]

1 hour ago, chengkp75 said:

Since the ship has no intention of sailing, the muster before sailing is moot.

 

The ship would then be considered as land based fixture?  If so, would it become subject to the local fire department laws/regulations?  If so, what might the new regulations/laws become for evacuation of a docked cruise ship experiencing an emergency that required such evacuation to be done?

[chengkp75]

1 minute ago, rkacruiser said:

 

The ship would then be considered as land based fixture?  If so, would it become subject to the local fire department laws/regulations?  If so, what might the new regulations/laws become for evacuation of a docked cruise ship experiencing an emergency that required such evacuation to be done?

No, it would still be under USCG jurisdiction, and subject to SOLAS. As I said, the muster needs to be done before sailing, but there is no required time before, so passengers can come and go before sailing, just so that passengers who will sail must attend the muster.

It is just like a ferry, which has an itinerary of less than 24 hours, so no muster is required.

[rkacruiser]

2 minutes ago, chengkp75 said:

No, it would still be under USCG jurisdiction, and subject to SOLAS.

 

If the ship was not going to sail, however, wouldn't local safety regulations come into play?

 

I am thinking about the boiler explosion on the S. S. Norway when she was docked at the Port of Miami.  SOLAS and USCG regulations would have applied to her because she was expected to sail.  If she was being used as a "day ship cruise ship hotel experience", wouldn't the local regulations apply?  

[Charles4515]

 

If she was being used as a "day ship cruise ship hotel experience", wouldn't the local regulations apply?  

 

I don’t know about local safety regulations but they would have to pay the local sales tax on drinks. The casino and shops would be closed.

 

 

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[ldubs]

13 hours ago, dulcemariamar said:

Now that the theme parks have opened in Florida, would it be profitable to open the ships and offer a reduced number of day passes so people could enjoy the ships. You could offer the pools, put on limited capacity shows, and do some onboard activities. There are so many restaurants that you can definitely split people up. What do you think?

 

Well, probably cannot happen because of the legal issues already explained.  Maybe financial ones too.   However, I kind of like the concept.  I could see us going for a dinner, etc just for a change of pace.  And yes, there are likely better restaurants, but I don't think everyone always goes to the the absolute best restaurant available to them.  Sometimes (many times) most of us go out to relax with a basic decent meal.  

 

Sadly, even a day-pass on a cruise ship is going to be on hold for us until the CV is managed.  

[Aquahound]

3 hours ago, pc_load_letter said:

Sure, everyone on here is poo-pooing the idea because it's probably not feasible, but my wife and i was talking about this the other day because two ships are currently sitting off the coast of San Diego.

 

 

In truth, I would probably do it too.  Laying by the pool for the day, getting drinks at the pool bar, and listening to a live calypso band sounds pretty nice right about now.  I would probably even eat in a specialty restaurant.  Some are quite good.  And yes, I know this can be achieved at most land resorts but there's just something about being on a ship. 

 

But alas, the question was "why can't?"

[sverigecruiser]

7 hours ago, capriccio said:

 

Take a look at a map of south east Florida.  All the population is in a thin area between the ocean and the Everglades.  Within that strip there are four major cities (Miami, Miami Beach, Fort Lauderdale and Palm Beach) and lots of suburbs with excellent restaurants.

 

I'm really imptessed that every place in Florida has a bigger variety of restaurants than a large cruiseship.

[sverigecruiser]

7 hours ago, Charles4515 said:

 

You can’t be serious. Where are you from? Are you in Sweden?

 

 

 

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I'm really impressed that every place in Florida has a bigger variety of restaurants  than a large cruiseship.

[getting older slowly]

It would even be interesting, even to have look and see.. as a lot of people have never seen inside a cruise ship........

 

Digressing slightly .... went we got new overnight ferries between victoria and tasmania... they had open days to show off the ships.... they were great.... a good bit of PR..... but I don't think the idea would work well with social distancing.....

 

But a good example of the OP idea is the Queen Mary as a hotel....

 

Cheers Don 

[Charles4515]

 
I'm really impressed that every place in Florida has a bigger variety of restaurants  than a large cruiseship.

Florida’s main industry is tourism. There are also the theme parks, Disney World and Universal which have a big variety of restaurants and activities. It is an impressive state.


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[chengkp75]

9 hours ago, rkacruiser said:

 

If the ship was not going to sail, however, wouldn't local safety regulations come into play?

 

I am thinking about the boiler explosion on the S. S. Norway when she was docked at the Port of Miami.  SOLAS and USCG regulations would have applied to her because she was expected to sail.  If she was being used as a "day ship cruise ship hotel experience", wouldn't the local regulations apply?  

Again, no.  The ship itself is not US territory, and US laws only have limited jurisdiction over a foreign ship when in a US port, whether or not that ship is intending to sail with the current load of passengers or not.

[K32682]

16 hours ago, sverigecruiser said:

 

People have been banned from leaving hotels by local authorities.

 

I have been in many hotels but none of them have been bigger the the biggest cruiseships I have been on.

 

Can you offer a link showing where an entire hotel was quarantined for 14 days similar to the Diamond Princess? 

 

[sanger727]

9 hours ago, Aquahound said:

 

In truth, I would probably do it too.  Laying by the pool for the day, getting drinks at the pool bar, and listening to a live calypso band sounds pretty nice right about now.  I would probably even eat in a specialty restaurant.  Some are quite good.  And yes, I know this can be achieved at most land resorts but there's just something about being on a ship. 

 

But alas, the question was "why can't?"

 

I can see your points. I think for this to be attractive to people (In this imaginary world where it's profitable and legal); it would have to be an all inclusive package. Pay somewhere between $100-$200 for the day and get access all day/evening to all the restaurants, specialty restaurants, free drinks, pool, etc. That is something new and different. Problem, is that you are only going to attract people that live within 1-2 hours at the most from the port city. I'm certainly not going to fly into florida for something like that. But yes, if they managed to find a way to dock a cruise ship in Cincinnati I would certainly consider doing that for a day.

[Essiesmom]

How do the regulations apply when cruise ships are chartered as housing/hotel for conventions/sporting events, etc.?  EM

[chengkp75]

29 minutes ago, Essiesmom said:

How do the regulations apply when cruise ships are chartered as housing/hotel for conventions/sporting events, etc.?  EM

No different than when they are in operation as cruise ships.

[Joebucks]

Legal challenges aside, I actually think this would be a good deal financially. Much better than staying closed.

 

Charge people somewhere between $100-$200 a day with included food, drinks, entertainment, etc and people will come. Heck, some people might even come to just gamble. People love their sea days, right? Yet this is a terrible idea? They aren't that far off.

[Charles4515]

Legal challenges aside, I actually think this would be a good deal financially. Much better than staying closed.
 
Charge people somewhere between $100-$200 a day with included food, drinks, entertainment, etc and people will come. Heck, some people might even come to just gamble. People love their sea days, right? Yet this is a terrible idea? They aren't that far off.

The casinos would not be able to open.


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[sverigecruiser]

5 hours ago, K32682 said:

 

Can you offer a link showing where an entire hotel was quarantined for 14 days similar to the Diamond Princess? 

 

 

I don't know how to provide a link from a tablet so unless someone can instruct me have to do it you will have to wait until next Thursday when I'm back at work again for a link.

 

Guests at H10 Costa Adaje Palace on Tenerife were quarantined and not allowed to exit the hotel in February. Police were guarding the entrances and noone was allowed to leave.

 

[ColeThornton]

17 minutes ago, sverigecruiser said:

 

I don't know how to provide a link from a tablet so unless someone can instruct me have to do it you will have to wait until next Thursday when I'm back at work again for a link.

 

Guests at H10 Costa Adaje Palace on Tenerife were quarantined and not allowed to exit the hotel in February. Police were guarding the entrances and noone was allowed to leave.

 

 

https://www.businessinsider.com/coronavirus-tenerife-quarantine-hotel-horrifying-photos-2020-2#meanwhile-other-reports-suggest-that-guests-are-not-allowed-out-of-the-hotels-grounds-but-are-free-to-leave-their-rooms-6

[bigrednole]

First, the CDC will not allow them to port in the US. Second, they will not allow them to open for guests if the did. Third, the casino cannot be open which would be the only draw to get a person on a cruise ship sitting around doing nothing.

[K32682]

1 hour ago, sverigecruiser said:

I don't know how to provide a link from a tablet so unless someone can instruct me have to do it you will have to wait until next Thursday when I'm back at work again for a link.

 

Guests at H10 Costa Adaje Palace on Tenerife were quarantined and not allowed to exit the hotel in February. Police were guarding the entrances and noone was allowed to leave.

 

This is an good example which proves why I'd rather be in a hotel if an outbreak occurred

 

The hotels guests were locked down on February 24

 

https://www.eturbonews.com/544198/covid-2019-locks-down-h10-costa-adeje-palace-hotel-in-tenerife/

 

Guests who tested negative were allowed to begin leaving 3 days later.  Most guests were allowed to leave before two weeks had expired. 

 

https://www.thestar.com/news/world/europe/2020/02/28/first-virus-free-guests-abandon-blocked-spanish-island-hotel.html

 

On March 10 the remaining 200 were released.

 

https://metro.co.uk/2020/03/10/hundreds-holidaymakers-cheer-leave-tenerife-quarantine-hotel-12377778/

 

 

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The coronavirus quarantine period was lifted on Tuesday at the H10 Costa Adeje Palace, allowing the final 200 guests, including British citizens, free to go back home. Around 700 people were initially on lockdown but were allowed to leave in smaller groups after getting the all clear.

 

No one was allowed off the Diamond Princess unless they had to go to hospital. 

 

 

 

 

Edited August 6, 2020 by K32682