New health guidelines for the future

[voljeep]

2 hours ago, mcrcruiser said:

Looks pretty comprehensive by Princess . Then these protocols add that people must be vaccinated & that should do the virus in ;as dead as a door nail ,we hope 👍

i musta missed the part that people MUST be vaccinated

 

can you link that part? Thanks

[memoak]

45 minutes ago, voljeep said:

i musta missed the part that people MUST be vaccinated

 

can you link that part? Thanks

My belief is that countries will require proof of vaccination to enter their borders and airlines and cruise companies will follow suit. Much like they have done with malaria and yellow fever 

[voljeep]

5 minutes ago, memoak said:

My belief is that countries will require proof of vaccination to enter their borders and airlines and cruise companies will follow suit. Much like they have done with malaria and yellow fever 

thanks - so just 'your belief' at this time

 

so 'some' destinations 'may' require it while others don't - gotcha

[memoak]

32 minutes ago, voljeep said:

thanks - so just 'your belief' at this time

 

so 'some' destinations 'may' require it while others don't - gotcha

When I took an Amazon cruise back in the day from Manaus Brazil we could not even get on a plane without showing proof. If you look at the contract you agree to with Princess it states that it is your responsibility to get whatever vaccines you need to comply with the countries on your itinerary 

[voljeep]

6 minutes ago, memoak said:

When I took an Amazon cruise back in the day from Manaus Brazil we could not even get on a plane without showing proof. If you look at the contract you agree to with Princess it states that it is your responsibility to get whatever vaccines you need to comply with the countries on your itinerary 

agreed - so some ports may require, others not so much  

[brisalta]

On 11/16/2020 at 7:00 PM, WAMarathoner said:

HepB is a behaviorally-acquired disease.  I don't understand why those who don't play contact sports or engage in the other behaviors that facilitate it "need" it.

 

 

I know of a person that acquired hepatitis B. His case was traced back to a restaurant that he ate at.

Turns out the chef had hepatitis B and cut their finger while preparing the food for the person.

So hepatitis B can be acquired in unexpected ways.

[mcrcruiser]

There is no link; however ,read on the  internet that airlines like quantas ,/air New Zealand ie  going forward ;as the vaccines are made readily available will require proof of vaccination  . The   reason is getting into their respective countries  with out being rejected or requiring 14 days of quarantine   ,Many airlines will be required to follow suit & also cruise lines .It is not the specific air  or cruise cruise line but the country requirement that those lines fly or cruise into 

[Daniel A]

I didn't want to wade through 11 pages of this thread but I have a question that I hope the medical professionals can answer.  Please try not to inject speculation replying to this post, I'm looking for answers from people who have real life professional experience in this field.

 

If one gets the vaccine and it is effective for them, if they get exposed to Covid later on, can they still be infectious to others or will the vaccine make that person not be a potential spreader?  In other words, after successful vaccination will that person still need to wear a mask and socially distance?

[d9704011]

5 minutes ago, Daniel A said:

I didn't want to wade through 11 pages of this thread but I have a question that I hope the medical professionals can answer.  Please try not to inject speculation replying to this post, I'm looking for answers from people who have real life professional experience in this field.

 

If one gets the vaccine and it is effective for them, if they get exposed to Covid later on, can they still be infectious to others or will the vaccine make that person not be a potential spreader?  In other words, after successful vaccination will that person still need to wear a mask and socially distance?

C’mon now.  Anybody can be a medical specialist on these boards!  In fact, offering lawyerly advice can happen too.

 

Your questions can’t be answered at this time.  Way too early to know so anything anybody tells you on this is pure speculation and opinion.

[GonzoWCS]

Good read thanks.

[RocketMan275]

On 11/14/2020 at 9:06 AM, Daniel A said:

Understood, but then those <10% will always have that risk whether on a cruise ship or working in an office, supermarket, riding on a train or a bus etc...

90 % effectiveness is far above that required for herd immunity meaning the virus would quickly die out since it would be unable to propagate.

[nocl]

7 hours ago, Daniel A said:

I didn't want to wade through 11 pages of this thread but I have a question that I hope the medical professionals can answer.  Please try not to inject speculation replying to this post, I'm looking for answers from people who have real life professional experience in this field.

 

If one gets the vaccine and it is effective for them, if they get exposed to Covid later on, can they still be infectious to others or will the vaccine make that person not be a potential spreader?  In other words, after successful vaccination will that person still need to wear a mask and socially distance?

That is currently unknown.  The protocols did not test for infection and shedding virus.  Only smyptoms confirmed by PCR to be COVID.

 

There were some secondary end points in some of the trials, that might shed some light on that question, but currently it must go into the unknown category.

[Ride-The-Waves]

The WHO "Yellow Card" showing vaccinations will become more importent for travel than the passport.  In the decade following WWII the "Carte Jaune" was asked for by border officials before a passport.  Still is that way in some countries/regions.  Less prevalent in recent decades since most infectious diseases have been controlled or eradicated.  "Proving" vaccination against COVID-19 (and likely it annual metamorphosis) will be the new norm once vaccinations have begun and tourist travel resumed, to include cruising and port stops.

[memoak]

24 minutes ago, Ride-The-Waves said:

The WHO "Yellow Card" showing vaccinations will become more importent for travel than the passport.  In the decade following WWII the "Carte Jaune" was asked for by border officials before a passport.  Still is that way in some countries/regions.  Less prevalent in recent decades since most infectious diseases have been controlled or eradicated.  "Proving" vaccination against COVID-19 (and likely it annual metamorphosis) will be the new norm once vaccinations have begun and tourist travel resumed, to include cruising and port stops.

Totally agree. In fact I still keep my yellow card with my passport

[Travlin grrl]

On 10/8/2020 at 6:15 AM, Potstech said:

Do not need a smart phone to use the Medallion.

Honestly, I didn't know they even make phones that aren't smart nowadays. 

[mcrcruiser]

5 hours ago, Travlin grrl said:

Honestly, I didn't know they even make phones that aren't smart nowadays. 

Depends what part of the world you live in 

[brisalta]

2 hours ago, mcrcruiser said:

Depends what part of the world you live in 

You can get them anywhere in the world. People with problems with their hands such as tremors or arthritis find dumb phones with physical keyboards are easier to use.

[Dennis#1]

13 hours ago, Ride-The-Waves said:

The WHO "Yellow Card" showing vaccinations will become more importent for travel than the passport.  In the decade following WWII the "Carte Jaune" was asked for by border officials before a passport.  Still is that way in some countries/regions.  Less prevalent in recent decades since most infectious diseases have been controlled or eradicated.  "Proving" vaccination against COVID-19 (and likely it annual metamorphosis) will be the new norm once vaccinations have begun and tourist travel resumed, to include cruising and port stops.

Agree. Some sort of proof that you had the COVID-19 vaccine will be required to travel.

[caribill]

14 hours ago, Ride-The-Waves said:

The WHO "Yellow Card" showing vaccinations will become more important for travel than the passport. 

 

Not sure this will be true. With today's technology this card is too easy to counterfeit.

 

Something that is almost impossible to counterfeit will be needed. And it will have to be something that will not require someone to have a smart phone or a passport because not everyone has these.

[Roberto256]

On 12/6/2020 at 8:19 PM, nocl said:

That is currently unknown.  The protocols did not test for infection and shedding virus.  Only smyptoms confirmed by PCR to be COVID.

 

 

The other unknown is how long the vaccine will be effective.   Will 'you' need a peridoic top-up?

 

A colleague is from massachusetts; I look foahward to saying 'boostah' fah into the futuah.

 

[mcrcruiser]

We are reading & hearing that the side effects can be harsh with some patients receiving the vaccines . After the  2nd shot   there have been cases of high temperatures  , severe head aches ,chills , shaking  .  highwire.com has all the facts about this .  

[mcrcruiser]

It is unlikely that we will line up to be in the 2nd tier that receives  the vaccine until it has been out for awhile . If we need to miss cruises so be it 

[Daniel A]

9 hours ago, caribill said:

 

Not sure this will be true. With today's technology this card is too easy to counterfeit.

 

Something that is almost impossible to counterfeit will be needed. And it will have to be something that will not require someone to have a smart phone or a passport because not everyone has these.

As I understand, when you get the first dose of the vaccine, you need to register to get it.  That registration will go into a database where you will be reminded when you need to return for your second dose.  As long as it's in a database that you got both doses, there will probably be a way to document being vaccinated rather than relying on a paper document.

[memoak]

All vaccinations will be reported from the states to the CDC database. Pretty impossible to. counterfeit 

[Dennis#1]

19 minutes ago, memoak said:

All vaccinations will be reported from the states to the CDC database. Pretty impossible to. counterfeit 

Let’s hope the CDC data base can not be breached.

https://www.pandasecurity.com/en/mediacenter/mobile-news/hackers-credential-who-nih-cdc/