New vaccine

[Eglesbrech]

1 minute ago, bobstheboy said:

 

Too many people are not treating this pandemic seriously and I have witnessed this first hand with a friends, sisters husband very poorly in hospital, aged 49. They haven't followed guidelines since the start and she is shedding tears wishing they had.

I particularly feel for anyone who catches this virus through no fault of their own, they work on the front line or have just been unlucky even though they were following the guidance.
 

There are however far too many reports of people just doing as they please. It is a hard lesson to learn for anyone, bad enough to get covid but worse if you or your loved ones question if it was perhaps avoidable.

 

I hope your brother in law gets well soon.

[zap99]

10 minutes ago, Eddie99 said:

I’ve just read that, across the pond, Dr Fauci reckons the Johnson & Johnson vaccine could get US approval in the next two weeks.  That’s a single dose affair.  Sounds very practical.  I’ll try to find out if we have any on order

 

 

 

 

 

Found it

30 million ordered with an option for 22 million more

Well, that would get all adults done, simply, wouldn’t it?

Somebody had the foresight to order non approved vaccines just in case. Money well spent, even if we donate our surplus vaccine doses to third world countries.

Edited January 23, 2021 by zap99

[bobstheboy]

3 minutes ago, Eglesbrech said:

I particularly feel for anyone who catches this virus through no fault of their own, they work on the front line or have just been unlucky even though they were following the guidance.
 

There are however far too many reports of people just doing as they please. It is a hard lesson to learn for anyone, bad enough to get covid but worse if you or your loved ones question if it was perhaps avoidable.

 

I hope your brother in law gets well soon.

Not my brother in law, a friends.

Edited January 23, 2021 by bobstheboy
Typo

[Eglesbrech]

2 minutes ago, bobstheboy said:

Not my brother in law, a friends.

Apologies, the comma got me. I hope they pull through whoever they are.

[terrierjohn]

1 hour ago, Eglesbrech said:

Because the buck stops there? They are the ultimate decision makers so ultimately rise or fall by those decisions, that’s always been the case has it not.

I have never believed that, govt is just like every other large business  if you sacked the CEO everytime an underling cocked things up, then the company would soon be on its knees, or at least the city would downgrade its shares so much that it would be ripe for a takeover.

Edited January 23, 2021 by terrierjohn

[yorkshirephil]

23 minutes ago, Eddie99 said:

I’ve just read that, across the pond, Dr Fauci reckons the Johnson & Johnson vaccine could get US approval in the next two weeks.  That’s a single dose affair.  Sounds very practical.  I’ll try to find out if we have any on order

 

 

 

 

 

Found it

30 million ordered with an option for 22 million more

Well, that would get all adults done, simply, wouldn’t it?

I seem to remember that this vaccine won't be available till April in Europe (assuming that means us geographically), Hopefully by then all the vulnerable will be vaccinated this will then go to the lower age groups. I think I also read that the UK had ordered more doses of various vaccine than anybody else in the world. So even if there are problems with any of the current vaccines we have contingency to re-vaccinate.

[Josy1953]

1 hour ago, grapau27 said:

Happy to hear your good news about your niece.

I hope her chemotherapy is working well for her too.

Thank you.  Her oncologist told her last week that she was very pleased with how things were going and that after she finished her chemo she will have some sessions of radio therapy and she should be all done by 2nd March.

It has been a rubbish 12 months for her, she was working in ITU with covid patients when she found her lump so went straight from 12 hour ITU shifts to surgery and cancer treatments.

Edited January 23, 2021 by Josy1953

[Eglesbrech]

15 minutes ago, terrierjohn said:

I have never believed that, govt is just like every other large business  if you sacked the CEO everytime an underling cocked things up, then the company would soon be on its knees, or at least the city would downgrade its shares so much that it would be ripe for a takeover.

But that’s why ministers resign when things go badly wrong or they can’t support what the government are proposing (or at least they used to be the case with honourable ministers).

 

I think most people still feel the buck stops at the top,  not the middle or bottom.

[Josy1953]

54 minutes ago, Eddie99 said:

I’ve just read that, across the pond, Dr Fauci reckons the Johnson & Johnson vaccine could get US approval in the next two weeks.  That’s a single dose affair.  Sounds very practical.  I’ll try to find out if we have any on order

 

 

 

 

 

Found it

30 million ordered with an option for 22 million more

Well, that would get all adults done, simply, wouldn’t it?

Earlier this week I read that the Novavax vaccine was expected to be approved and that UK had ordered 60 million doses (enough for 30 million people ) I can't find the article now but I will keep trying.

This was the one that Pete and I were part of the trial for.

[Josy1953]

Found it :

https://post.parliament.uk/regulatory-approval-of-covid-19-vaccines-in-the-uk/

 

this gives the expected approval dates for all of the vaccines that UK has pre-ordered

[tring]

On 1/19/2021 at 11:49 AM, tring said:

I do not know who may, or maybe not reporting to the Imperial College COVID symptom study app, but since potential side effects from the vaccine have been discussed this morning, I thought I would mention that they are now tracking if users have had the vaccine and if so gathering information on effects of it, as well as still doing the important job of gaining other knowledge about COVID.

 

Hence for the sake of a few "clicks" per day, you can assist in gaining extra research knowledge.  There is also lot of data and other information you can read on the app if installed.  This is a link from Wikipediadia with an explanation of it:-

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/COVID_Symptom_Study

 

and this is a link to the app:-

 

https://covid.joinzoe.com/

 

More information can be searched about the app and useful info about COVID which has been learnt through it by searching on line, under symptom study or Zoe 

 

I posted this earlier this week, but I see there was discussion here this afternoon about whether there is monitoring of antibodies and how well the levels are maintained after the first vaccine dose is administered.  As I mentioned in my previous post, the app is monitoring people who have had a vaccine and which vaccine they had, along with details of if they have had symptoms of, or tested positive for COVID.  With the original details logged about symptoms, they are also gathering data on what side effects may be encountered by people after administration of each vaccine so a comparison can be made between both vaccines currently in use.  Data will also show if people who have been vaccinated succumb to the virus at any time, and whether that is before or after the second dose has been administered.  Hence loads of data being collected, without any need for the expense of taking blood samples from people.

 

Some of funding to run the app is from the government and all data gathered is reported to the government.  If anyone is not currently reporting to the Imperial College COVID Symptom Study app but would like to do so, the details are in my first post, which I have quoted here.  It only takes a matter of seconds each day to report.

 

I suspect that antibodies are also likely being monitored in other studies.

Edited January 23, 2021 by tring

[yorkshirephil]

29 minutes ago, Josy1953 said:

Earlier this week I read that the Novavax vaccine was expected to be approved and that UK had ordered 60 million doses (enough for 30 million people ) I can't find the article now but I will keep trying.

This was the one that Pete and I were part of the trial for.

Josy, as a matter of interest are you being monitored for antibodies?

[Dermotsgirl]

1 hour ago, terrierjohn said:

Why are so many people so blinkered, most of the experts on the briefings are part of the NHS, and they have made just as many promises as the govt, but you seem prepared to absolve them of any blame, but not the govt.

This is not about blame, it’s about trust.

 

Unfortunately, the government has over promised and underdelivered since the start of this crisis. Therefore, when the government made promises about the delivery of the vaccine, the level of trust has dropped to such an extent, many people simply didn’t believe the promise. Fortunately we have the NHS delivering the vaccine and it hasn’t been contracted out to a government crony, like track and trace 

[pete14]

12 minutes ago, yorkshirephil said:

Josy, as a matter of interest are you being monitored for antibodies?

Blood was taken at the beginning, and has been taken since then and again next month. Presumably this is tested for antibodies. If they didn’t test for antibodies, it would be hard for them to evaluate it’s effectiveness. 

[Josy1953]

3 minutes ago, yorkshirephil said:

Josy, as a matter of interest are you being monitored for antibodies?

We have blood taken at each appointment, so I suspect that they do check for antibodies but I didn't ask. It is a blind study so we don't know whether we have had the vaccine or the placebo.

[Gettingwarmer]

“Fortunately we have the NHS delivering the vaccine andit hasn’t been contracted out to a government”
 

The NHS has not been delivering the same all over the country. Not due to vaccine supplies but due to local  NHS not getting there act together. Our local district has only started delivering the vaccine. 

Edited January 23, 2021 by Gettingwarmer

[yorkshirephil]

3 minutes ago, pete14 said:

Blood was taken at the beginning, and has been taken since then and again next month. Presumably this is tested for antibodies. If they didn’t test for antibodies, it would be hard for them to evaluate it’s effectiveness. 

This is why I asked, people from different trials seem to be treated differently. Someone else on a different trial I know hasn't been tested for antibodies after a month which seemed surprising.

[Josy1953]

5 minutes ago, Josy1953 said:

We have blood taken at each appointment, so I suspect that they do check for antibodies but I didn't ask. It is a blind study so we don't know whether we have had the vaccine or the placebo.

I had a reaction to the second vaccination, I was shivering for several hours after and my arm was red and swelled slightly.  They seemed to be very interested about this.

[yorkshirephil]

20 minutes ago, Josy1953 said:

I had a reaction to the second vaccination, I was shivering for several hours after and my arm was red and swelled slightly.  They seemed to be very interested about this.

Those symptoms are typical of a reaction to the adjuvant which is the ingredient that creates a stronger immune response. If you are still blind? you won't be aware of whether you got the vaccine as opposed to the placebo, the reaction would suggest you got the vaccine. I take a great interest in these things as we always contracted our trials out to specialist companies, which made it harder to get full reports.

[Josy1953]

10 minutes ago, yorkshirephil said:

Those symptoms are typical of a reaction to the adjuvant which is the ingredient that creates a stronger immune response. If you are still blind? you won't be aware of whether you got the vaccine as opposed to the placebo, the reaction would suggest you got the vaccine. I take a great interest in these things as we always contracted our trials out to specialist companies, which made it harder to get full reports.

My nephew's wife is a GP and she thinks that I was probably given the vaccine and she suggested that I should ask to be unblinded if/when I am invited for vaccination so that I can make a decision whether or not to take the vaccine.

[yorkshirephil]

2 minutes ago, Josy1953 said:

My nephew's wife is a GP and she thinks that I was probably given the vaccine and she suggested that I should ask to be unblinded if/when I am invited for vaccination so that I can make a decision whether or not to take the vaccine.

That sounds good advice, it will be interesting to hear what details your are given if you unblind from the trial as to what level of antibodies you have, and to whether you are advised to have the Novavax vaccine or whether you can just take whatever vaccine is offered. Thanks for sharing.

[joeecco]

2 minutes ago, Dermotsgirl said:

The government make the decisions - they are ultimately accountable for their decisions. 
 

Incidentally, I don’t trust optimistic promises from whoever they come from 

That’s a shame because life’s nicer with optimism, especially at the moment. 

[terrierjohn]

2 minutes ago, Dermotsgirl said:

The government make the decisions - they are ultimately accountable for their decisions. 
 

Incidentally, I don’t trust optimistic promises from whoever they come from 

But you only know for certain they were over optimistic with hindsight, and I never trust anyone blessed with 20:20 hindsight.

[Dermotsgirl]

Just now, joeecco said:

That’s a shame because life’s nicer with optimism, especially at the moment. 

Personally, at the moment I find it much easier to live for the day, without thinking too much about the future 

[zap99]

1 minute ago, joeecco said:

That’s a shame because life’s nicer with optimism, especially at the moment. 

Life is indeed looking up. Lots of folk trying hard to improve things. Shame that the negative attitude is still out there.🤣