New vaccine

[davecttr]

49 minutes ago, P&O SUE said:

I know what you mean, at first they said this new strain was more contagious but not so deadly, now they’re saying it’s more deadly! All very depressing.

Apparently the precise language used in the Sage reports means in laymans terms it is a toss of a coin whether it is more dangerous. More data is needed and that takes time.

[zap99]

38 minutes ago, Harry Peterson said:

Zap, I’m afraid you’re only putting one side of the story again. You’re forgetting that in December, Matt Hancock stated on the Today programme that millions (actual word) of vaccinations would be done by Christmas. Did they actually reach one million? Quite some under delivery, but I’m pleased that the programme does now look to be on track again.

 

It needs to be, though, because our health services are in a state of near collapse because of years of underfunding and the particularly high death rate in the UK caused by getting so many things wrong.

 

 

He says She said, who did what to whom is old news. Can't you just give it up and rejoice in the fact that UK citizens are being  Jabbed and protected?. Your continuous criticism will not help one iota and is embarrassing.

[zap99]

16 minutes ago, Harry Peterson said:

So sorry, Zap, to have dared to disagree with your views on this. Remiss of me.

No need to apologise. Just getting repetitive.

[P&O SUE]

On 1/24/2021 at 9:55 AM, davecttr said:

Apparently the precise language used in the Sage reports means in laymans terms it is a toss of a coin whether it is more dangerous. More data is needed and that takes time.

For my husband he was ‘bad’ for him, he rarely has more than one day sick a year so for him to have two weeks off is unheard of, but he was ‘lucky’ compared to many poor people.

[jeanlyon]

My God that FT story is scary.  Stay safe everyone.

[WECRUISEUK]

11 hours ago, joeecco said:

The point is that NOBODY knows what tomorrow holds let alone weeks and months. 
some are saying Easter will see restrictions release and the start of the end, others are saying years until we can begin to get back to normal. One of the theories will become right but the truth is nobody knows which one. 

We're all "weather" reporters,my guess for the short term is wind and rain,followed by(april)calmer sunny times ahead.Our neighbours tend to agree and share our realistic optimism.

[yorkshirephil]

There are a few reports from Israel about the effectiveness of the Pfizer vaccine in over 60s that have been vaccinated. Looks very promising, now where are my cruise brochures?😉

[zap99]

2 hours ago, yorkshirephil said:

Which seems to be more of a political move, the EU block wanted to use their buying power and are even threatening countries that are trying to buy their own vaccines, In researching the vaccine I have seen many stories about how the EU have handled their vaccine programme, how accurate some of them are is anybody's guess, I don't have much interest in politics but they seem to enmesh everything. In one respect the EU were fortunate that they had ordered the Pfizer vaccine and that it was the first to be approved or they would be even further behind.

Apparently their approval of the Oxford vaccine will not be before month end. Pfizer have warned them of delayed delivery , but not to UK, some countries are suing Pfizer and some are importing the Russian vaccine against EU rules. Not a Rosey picture. As you say  not interested in the politics but their performance is a useful benchmark.

Edited January 24, 2021 by zap99

[arlowood]

13 hours ago, Josy1953 said:

We have blood taken at each appointment, so I suspect that they do check for antibodies but I didn't ask. It is a blind study so we don't know whether we have had the vaccine or the placebo.

For comparison purposes, I can confirm that I am currently a volunteer in the over-70's cohort of the Oxford/AZ vaccine trial. I was jabbed initially back in August 2020 with the follow-up jab in September. We had monthly appointments thereafter with blood samples taken each time. So I am presuming that they will have been assessing antibody levels at each time point. After the visit in December the appointment schedule went to 3 months and I have a date in March 2021 for the next visit.

 

All the above has now been somewhat complicated by the fact that I received my NHS letter during this last week (I'm over 75). As advised by the study group, I contacted them to get myself "unblinded" so that I could decide how to proceed. In the event, it turns out that I received the placebo so I am now booked in for a jab on the 28th. As far as I can establish, the hub where my vaccination will be done is only handling the Pfizer vaccine.

 

I will continue with the study appointments as agreed but I am guessing that my data will not be able to form any part of the final assessment of the Oxford vaccine. However I hope that they will still be taking blood samples and checking for antibody levels to provide as much info as possible for the Pfizer vaccine.

[Chrisdriving]

6 minutes ago, yorkshirephil said:

There are a few reports from Israel about the effectiveness of the Pfizer vaccine in over 60s that have been vaccinated. Looks very promising, now where are my cruise brochures?😉

Seems to support the UK stance of maximising the amount of people receiving a first dose. Encouraging news.

[yorkshirephil]

2 minutes ago, Chrisdriving said:

Seems to support the UK stance of maximising the amount of people receiving a first dose. Encouraging news.

I can't agree on that point at the moment as Israel followed the protocol for giving the vaccine 3 weeks apart, at some stage we will be able to compare the 3 week protocol with the 3 month one or even 6 week one if the change is made. It is encouraging though and we all need some good news.

 

[zap99]

1 hour ago, davecttr said:

Apparently the precise language used in the Sage reports means in laymans terms it is a toss of a coin whether it is more dangerous. More data is needed and that takes time.

I can imagine a sage meeting, a whole loads of experts in a room, each with a team supporting them who are experts in their own highly specialised field. The pour over loads of reports in minute detail untill they come up with a consensus. They then give some advice. Some body on cc then finds a report from the university of darkest Peru. Ah professor Juan otheropinion said the South Sandwich Islands have a lower death rate amongst penguins. I think I will leave it to the experts.

[zap99]

14 minutes ago, batholiver said:

Strange that you seem to be the one most frequently banging on about the same thing but complaining about others. You have your view. Others have theirs. And that includes women.

Women!!!!. Did I miss something.🤔

[WECRUISEUK]

8 minutes ago, zap99 said:

I can imagine a sage meeting, a whole loads of experts in a room, each with a team supporting them who are experts in their own highly specialised field. The pour over loads of reports in minute detail untill they come up with a consensus. They then give some advice. Some body on cc then finds a report from the university of darkest Peru. Ah professor Juan otheropinion said the South Sandwich Islands have a lower death rate amongst penguins. I think I will leave it to the experts.

Hope the people of the south sandwich islands close their borders a bit sharpish or more of these penguins will die...............very sad news.

[Harry Peterson]

16 minutes ago, Chrisdriving said:

Seems to support the UK stance of maximising the amount of people receiving a first dose. Encouraging news.

There’s some evidence to support the UK approach for the Oxford/AZ vaccine, but as yet none for the Pfizer vaccine.  I do hope that will come, and that the mass trial now being carried out in the UK will be properly evaluated.

[zap99]

3 minutes ago, WECRUISEUK said:

Hope the people of the south sandwich islands close their borders a bit sharpish or more of these penguins will die...............very sad news.

I think they can accept a visiting  Albatross. Virus free, even the mutant strains.

[Adammara]

12 hours ago, joeecco said:

The point is that NOBODY knows what tomorrow holds let alone weeks and months. 
some are saying Easter will see restrictions release and the start of the end, others are saying years until we can begin to get back to normal. One of the theories will become right but the truth is nobody knows which one. 

So  True. In February last year, we were considering booking a last minute cruise in May,  on March 3rd woke up with severe double vision, diagnosed as an eye stroke. Driving licence revoked and still trying to get my licence back, then a  cancer scare in December, diagnosed and treated in 8 days.  At least I had my jab on Friday, with the second one in April, so it will be at least May before I venture out!

 

In both cases the service from the NHS was fantastic,  as it was on Friday at the local mass vacination centre. My thanks to all our wonderful NHS staff on here.

[majortom10]

This thread is getting very boring and argumentative again. One thing is for sure you cannot change "old news" or history so have to look forward and be positive because if we dont what is the point.

[Splice the mainbrace]

Last pages of this thread remind me of the Monty Python Argument sketch!

 

Argument - Monty Python - YouTube

 

[yorkshirephil]

5 minutes ago, majortom10 said:

This thread is getting very boring and argumentative again. One thing is for sure you cannot change "old news" or history so have to look forward and be positive because if we dont what is the point.

No its not😁

[kalos]

7 minutes ago, yorkshirephil said:

No its not😁

yes it is !!

[Eddie99]

Good crack Phil 😀 - but you’re right.  It has been very interesting, hopefully will be interesting again.  It’s good to ignore spats, even better to ignore trolling-type posts.  Difficult sometimes

 

Anyway, my two-penn’orth today is to fret about the possibility of mucking  about with the manufacturers’ dosing schedule leading to the emergence of a vaccine-resistant strain 😱

Then what do we do???

[zap99]

13 minutes ago, Adammara said:

So  True. In February last year, we were considering booking a last minute cruise in May,  on March 3rd woke up with severe double vision, diagnosed as an eye stroke. Driving licence revoked and still trying to get my licence back, then a  cancer scare in December, diagnosed and treated in 8 days.  At least I had my jab on Friday, with the second one in April, so it will be at least May before I venture out!

 

In both cases the service from the NHS was fantastic,  as it was on Friday at the local mass vacination centre. My thanks to all our wonderful NHS staff on here.

Good luck with the driving licence. It's great that you still stay positive. DW had her licence revoked. She said at least it happened just before the Tax, service and cambelt was due. That saved a grand.

[grapau27]

25 minutes ago, Adammara said:

So  True. In February last year, we were considering booking a last minute cruise in May,  on March 3rd woke up with severe double vision, diagnosed as an eye stroke. Driving licence revoked and still trying to get my licence back, then a  cancer scare in December, diagnosed and treated in 8 days.  At least I had my jab on Friday, with the second one in April, so it will be at least May before I venture out!

 

In both cases the service from the NHS was fantastic,  as it was on Friday at the local mass vacination centre. My thanks to all our wonderful NHS staff on here.

Sorry to hear your misfortune with your eye stroke and cancer scare.

At least you have had your first vaccine which is some good news you deserve.

Graham.

[grapau27]

28 minutes ago, majortom10 said:

This thread is getting very boring and argumentative again. One thing is for sure you cannot change "old news" or history so have to look forward and be positive because if we dont what is the point.

Tom.

I am not agreeing or disagreeing with you but don't read it if you feel this way.

Let our Host decide because it is not for any of us to say what should be posted or not posted except to keep within cc rules.

Graham.