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#61
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Originally posted by steveru621
Do these animals wear diapers on sea days?
They have a place to do their business on the ship, usually in an out of the way area on the outside promenade deck.
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Originally posted by mziemke
I donít travel with my dogs but it really wouldnít bother me to see someone with there dog that someone thought they needed. Just be thankful that youíre not in a place in your life where you donít feel the need. Of course this desire you have to figure out which dog is needed and what dog is getting over on the system might be another problem you have all to itself
SIMPLE! If the dog is well behaved and sits under tables or quietly at foot of owner = trained service animal.

If the animal is in a doll outfit or pushed in a stroller or being carted around by an emasculated man and calling it a fur baby = pet. This isn't "another problem" I have all by itself. People are CLEARLY gaming the system due to the fact that they are 40, 50, 60, 70 years old and can't stand to be away from Fifi, can't handle being told no, are self-entitled, or just plain too cheap to pay for pet care while away. Their actions are plainly obvious to so many. It is not fair to true service animals and not fair to the people who need service animals. If a $250 per person deposit is not enough (I did not say disabled people, or those with animals, charge it to EVERYONE) then make it MORE. I'm not concerned about getting my money back for leaving a mess. All the "we prepay gratuities" people wouldn't balk at laying out another $500++.

I don't even want the scenario of bringing a pet if you pay for it; NO PETS.
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Recently on the harmony we experienced a 'cute little dog' at our table at lunch in mdr.
The owner was a little put out when I choose to leave a seat between me and the dog. She then proceeded to feed it off a plate from the table.
We saw them in Coastal Kitchen a few times also
And... this was the third cruise in a row.
I feel that people take advantage of the service dog allowance also which is unfortunate for those with a real need.


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Originally posted by gaylemh
Even if they charged for dogs, the last thing I would want to hear on a ship every time someone was walking down the hall to their cabin is a dog(s) barking. I also wouldn't want to be in a cabin after a dog was there. It's almost impossible to get rid of all the hair and dander after their gone.
Agree about not allowing any old flea bitten mutt on a ship no matter the price. But what makes you think someone's flee bitten mutt wasn't in your cabin before you.
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Originally posted by LookingForward2
Recently on the harmony we experienced a 'cute little dog' at our table at lunch in mdr.
The owner was a little put out when I choose to leave a seat between me and the dog. She then proceeded to feed it off a plate from the table.
We saw them in Coastal Kitchen a few times also
And... this was the third cruise in a row.
I feel that people take advantage of the service dog allowance also which is unfortunate for those with a real need.


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Wow I'm not a confrontational person but I would have said something in that case. How incredibly rude and inconsiderate.
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Originally posted by EleventyBangBang
What if it's a really cute dog, though?


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Originally posted by Host Clarea
They have a place to do their business on the ship, usually in an out of the way area on the outside promenade deck.
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Royal's policy regarding service animals seems pretty clear.

http://www.royalcaribbean.com/conten...ervice_animals

Excerpt:

"Guests are responsible for the behavior or damage caused by their service dog. A cleaning fee may be charged to the guest's shipboard account.

If the service dog's behavior creates a fundamental alteration or a direct threat to safety, the dog may be denied boarding or removed from the ship along with the owner at the guest's expense. Examples include: growling, barking excessively, initiating unsolicited contact, biting other guests and/or crewmembers, failure to use designated relief areas, sitting on furniture, eating from the table, etc."
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I am a dog lover, and until Monday we had 2 dogs ( we lost our Basset Monday morning ) but also think it's a huge problem. It's ridiculous how easily people can get a 'support animal' certification and then bring their animals everywhere. On a cruise, if I was at a table where someone had their dog with them I'd ask to be moved.
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I donít have a service dog, I donít have an emotional support dog, heck, I donít have a dog. Or cat. Or any animal. I have allergies and I lived upstairs from two not-allowed-at-the-apt-complex dogs who were ďservice dogsĒ.

During that time I became quite knowledgeable of the ADA, and I learned a ton about what service dogs do and how they act.

We ended up moving bc the management wasnít willing to do what they were legally allowed to do.



Originally posted by whitshel
I'm on board Oasis as we speak and they have listed a group on board, Paws with a Cause, there have been a lot of dogs on board but these are real service animals. All large dogs, most some kinda of lab or lab mix and very very well behaved with service vests.

All youíve seen are the larger breed dogs. Why donít you talk to people about the real smaller breed service dogs that are out there? They exist. They have a purpose. They donít always wear vests. You might learn interesting things about how service dogs donít all wear vests and arenít all labs.

Originally posted by cb at sea
If you are pushing a dog in a stroller, or it's stuffed in your purse,it is NOT a "service animal". Service animals are working...and are identified by the vest they wear. Kudos for service animals.

Not true at all. Except for the kudos part.

Originally posted by LMaxwell
SIMPLE! If the dog is well behaved and sits under tables or quietly at foot of owner = trained service animal.



If the animal is in a doll outfit or pushed in a stroller or being carted around by an emasculated man and calling it a fur baby = pet.

You donít have a handle on service animals.

Not all are trained from birth.
Not all are dealing with human issues where lying at the foot of the human is useful.
Not all are big.
Not all are owned by people who can carry them or deal with leashes.
Little dogs can get very tired walking all day with their humans.
A carrying device doesnít mean they arenít service dogs.
Small animals get cold.
Many people dress their smaller dogs to keep them from being cold.
The choice to dress a smaller dog in something cute doesnít negate the good the dog might be doing.

As for the whole emasculated man thing. Thatís either anti man or anti woman and Iím not sure which. Might be both. Men are perfectly allowed to have small dogs and it doesnít make them less of a man to carry them or to put cute clothing on the animal. Didnít make my father MORE of a man to have Malamutes, either.

And service animals donít even have to be trained in obedience.

If we ran across a shivery yippy applehead chihuahua that could sense my husbandís blood sugar changes, weíd find it clothes to stay warm, keep it close to DH (which might involve carrying it or having it in a wheeled conveyance, and be happy about it.

If my sonís one febrile seizure had actually been a seizure disorder and we had found some crazy little dog that could sense an oncoming seizure and alert him so he could stay safe, we wouldnít care one bit how YOU might react to it.

Originally posted by carolv712
Please remember that a medical alert dog doesn't have to be a large dog. Since my dog smells for changes in my blood sugar, it is sometimes hard to stop her from sniffing other people. She has alerted on other people(neighbors) when she detects a high level or low level of blood sugar.

Yep.

Originally posted by knittinggirl
On radiance, I saw a dog in a stroller all dressed up for formal night.

At least they should write a law requiring the service animal be licensed.

Iím glad that the dog was warm in that cold MDR.

There is no national service dog license or registry.

Iím fine with that. I donít want to make the lives of people with disabilities harder or more expensive. Just my own philosophy.
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Originally posted by knittinggirl
On radiance, I saw a dog in a stroller all dressed up for formal night.

At least they should write a law requiring the service animal be licensed.


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Yep, I saw it once as well, ridicules.


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Originally posted by mollyeilis
If my sonís one febrile seizure had actually been a seizure disorder and we had found some crazy little dog that could sense an oncoming seizure and alert him so he could stay safe, we wouldnít care one bit how YOU might react to it.
I would be glad that you were able to find a trained service animal to help your family out. Also, not a pet. So don't electronically wag your finger in my face; I'm on YOUR side.
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Originally posted by Robo1098
I love my dog and take her many places that allow pets. As much as I love her and miss her very much when she isn't around I would not take her on a cruise even if I could. It wouldn't be fair to the dog. locked up in the cabin most of the time. Not allowed off the boat. Have to go in a little astroturf box. Its not fair to the dog and selfish of the owner.


☝️This. Thank you. Iím a huge animal person, they outnumber the humans in my house. I foster about 30 puppies every year. I canít imagine asking my dog (pet) to spend 7 days on a ship. Real service animals are a different story. Pets, no way.


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Originally posted by CanadaDeb
I am a dog lover, and until Monday we had 2 dogs ( we lost our Basset Monday morning ) but also think it's a huge problem. It's ridiculous how easily people can get a 'support animal' certification and then bring their animals everywhere. On a cruise, if I was at a table where someone had their dog with them I'd ask to be moved.
I agree and condolences from one dog lover to another!
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Originally posted by CanadaDeb
I am a dog lover, and until Monday we had 2 dogs ( we lost our Basset Monday morning ) but also think it's a huge problem. It's ridiculous how easily people can get a 'support animal' certification and then bring their animals everywhere. On a cruise, if I was at a table where someone had their dog with them I'd ask to be moved.
Sorry for your loss.

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On our last cruise there was a woman who carted around this little dog, carrying him in her purse, beach bag, or her husband's backpack, setting him on the chairs in the Lido, etc. Now I know that cruise lines can't ask what the dog is for, but being a nosy cruiser, I certainly could, as it didn't appear to me (yes, I realize, my untrained eyes) that this dog was for anything more than coming along for the ride. We were walking back to the ship when I came up behind the woman and said "Cute little dog, is she a service animal?" The lady replied (without seeing me) "I'm deaf, she alerts me to sounds." Really, I was behind her, and the dog was in her husband's backpack - sleeping. I said "How could she have alerted you - she's sleeping?" The woman's response was "I can feel her vibes." SCAM Total loss of respect for people like that who take advantage of a situation. Get yourself a pet/house sitter and go on a holiday. I'll get down off my soapbox now.


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Originally posted by ger_77
On our last cruise there was a woman who carted around this little dog, carrying him in her purse, beach bag, or her husband's backpack, setting him on the chairs in the Lido, etc. Now I know that cruise lines can't ask what the dog is for, but being a nosy cruiser, I certainly could, as it didn't appear to me (yes, I realize, my untrained eyes) that this dog was for anything more than coming along for the ride. We were walking back to the ship when I came up behind the woman and said "Cute little dog, is she a service animal?" The lady replied (without seeing me) "I'm deaf, she alerts me to sounds." Really, I was behind her, and the dog was in her husband's backpack - sleeping. I said "How could she have alerted you - she's sleeping?" The woman's response was "I can feel her vibes." SCAM Total loss of respect for people like that who take advantage of a situation. Get yourself a pet/house sitter and go on a holiday. I'll get down off my soapbox now.





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She really needs to practice up on her own scam or come up with a better story. LOL


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Iím curious, do people try and go on excursions with these questionable support animals. I would think some countries would have regulations about bringing them in.


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Originally posted by mollyeilis

You donít have a handle on service animals.

Not all are trained from birth.
Not all are dealing with human issues where lying at the foot of the human is useful.
Not all are big.
Not all are owned by people who can carry them or deal with leashes.
Little dogs can get very tired walking all day with their humans.
A carrying device doesnít mean they arenít service dogs.
Small animals get cold.
Many people dress their smaller dogs to keep them from being cold.
The choice to dress a smaller dog in something cute doesnít negate the good the dog might be doing.

And service animals donít even have to be trained in obedience.

If we ran across a shivery yippy applehead chihuahua that could sense my husbandís blood sugar changes, weíd find it clothes to stay warm, keep it close to DH (which might involve carrying it or having it in a wheeled conveyance, and be happy about it.

If my sonís one febrile seizure had actually been a seizure disorder and we had found some crazy little dog that could sense an oncoming seizure and alert him so he could stay safe, we wouldnít care one bit how YOU might react to it.
And you don't quite understand the law either. While I agree that not all service dogs are trained from birth, and not all are trained in obedience (since some can't afford this, this is one reason there is no certification or registration requirements), you fail to mention that if a dog behaves in the manner that is outlined in RCI's rules, the business has the legal right to ask the owner and the service animal to leave the premises, without any fear of legal actions for the removal.

Also, regardless of what you feel is best for the small service dog (and I know they can exist, and do good service), in regards to how "tired" the dog gets, the law requires the dog to be either on the floor or in the owner's arms. Period. If the service dog cannot keep up with the owner, then the owner needs to change their lifestyle to match their chosen service dog.