Dog on ship

[Tatiana84]

Lol! I will definitely get me one of those!

 

 

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[CruiseGal999]

My DH's boss puts an orange doggie swim vest on his Golden Retriever, tells everyone dog is service dog OR service dog in training and takes him everywhere. Now, NOT on a cruise ... as far as I know.

[Candleonwater]

With the exception of owners that allow their dogs to have accidents in places like the casino, why does it bother anyone so much?

 

We have just started researching getting a service dog for DD. She has suffered so many concussions, and actually struggles greatly with anxiety as a result. Looking at her, I'm sure many would question why she would need a service dog. Should she end up getting a service dog, I wouldn't hesitate to bring it on a cruise. Can't wait to see the judgment by others.

[payitforward]

With the exception of owners that allow their dogs to have accidents in places like the casino, why does it bother anyone so much?

 

We have just started researching getting a service dog for DD. She has suffered so many concussions, and actually struggles greatly with anxiety as a result. Looking at her, I'm sure many would question why she would need a service dog. Should she end up getting a service dog, I wouldn't hesitate to bring it on a cruise. Can't wait to see the judgment by others.

 

I'm sorry to tell you, but a dog that "helps with anxiety" is not a service dog. It is an emotional support animal. In order to qualify as a service animal under the ADA, an animal must be trained to perform a specific action or task for its owner. These can include, but are not limited to: alerting the owner of impending seizures or blood sugar emergencies, acting as the owners eyes or ears, assisting the owner with reaching things and/or performing tasks, or even breaking the cycle of a PTSD incident by touching the owner in a specific way. All service animals are also trained to be inconspicuous in public venues. When they are working, they will not react to or bark at distractions, etc. An animal that offers comfort in the natural way that animals do is a PET. When a doctor prescribes a pet to help with anxiety, it can be considered and "emotional support animal," but it is STILL not a service animal as protected under the ADA.

[StknCPA]

With the exception of owners that allow their dogs to have accidents in places like the casino, why does it bother anyone so much?

 

We have just started researching getting a service dog for DD. She has suffered so many concussions, and actually struggles greatly with anxiety as a result. Looking at her, I'm sure many would question why she would need a service dog. Should she end up getting a service dog, I wouldn't hesitate to bring it on a cruise. Can't wait to see the judgment by others.

I'm going to give answering the question why does it bother anyone so much a crack.

 

Society as a whole decided that dogs, cats, etc. do not belong in many public places. Reasons ranged from avoiding repairs and maintenance issues, protecting people who are afraid of pets, avoiding undesirable pet behavior, to health issues. It is a health and safety issue.

 

Then some dogs were trained to help disabled people. The first I remember were for the blind. Society decided that allowing assistance animals was a "reasonable accommodation." It was worth incurring the health and safety issues to enable a disabled person to function.

 

It became apparent this was a good decision as not only was this helpful to the disabled person, but true assistance animals are almost without exception very well trained. They are so innocuous that one usually does not even know they are there unless one happens to look directly at the dog.

 

This is quite different than the animals that are complained about. These animals usually have no specific training; their owner has simply decided that they like to have their pet with them at all times. Since this is not allowed, they lie and claim their dog is a service animal.

 

Their dogs are frequently not well trained and will do things like yap and bark, lunge at other animals and people, attempt to lie/sit/stand in inappropriate places, and relieve themselves where they should not. They are brought into places like grocery stores and restaurants where such a dog should not be.

 

Assistance animal: yes, anywhere. BS animal: no.

 

 

 

 

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[Domino D]

I'm sorry to tell you, but a dog that "helps with anxiety" is not a service dog. It is an emotional support animal. In order to qualify as a service animal under the ADA, an animal must be trained to perform a specific action or task for its owner...

 

When a doctor prescribes a pet to help with anxiety, it can be considered and "emotional support animal," but it is STILL not a service animal as protected under the ADA.

 

While agree with what you say, you are using the ADA definition. The ADA is a minimum standard, a business can have a broader interpretation, they just can't have a lower one.

 

Royal 's language says:

 

"A service dog is defined as "any dog that is individually trained to do work or perform tasks for the benefit of a person with a disability." Service dogs are not considered pets."

 

Ultimately, if Royal wants to let a pet on, they can. The ADA governs who they can't exclude.

 

Without some sort of recognized certification program, I doubt that you are going to see a major company allow its employees to decide what is and isn't a service animal. To much risk. Better to let hundreds of emotional support dog's sail, than to the deny one true service animal and violate ADA compliance.

 

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[mollyeilis]

...true assistance animals are almost without exception very well trained. They are so innocuous that one usually does not even know they are there unless one happens to look directly at the dog.

 

This is quite different than the animals that are complained about. These animals usually have no specific training; their owner has simply decided that they like to have their pet with them at all times. Since this is not allowed, they lie and claim their dog is a service animal.

 

Their dogs are frequently not well trained and will do things like yap and bark, lunge at other animals and people, attempt to lie/sit/stand in inappropriate places, and relieve themselves where they should not. They are brought into places like grocery stores and restaurants where such a dog should not be.

 

Assistance animal: yes, anywhere. BS animal: no.

 

 

I’m not sure that service animals are “almost without exception very well trained”. Seeing eye dogs, yes. Similar dogs, yes. The ones where they are guiding people in some way, yes. But there’s a whole world of true service animals who do a specific task that’s life saving who might not be, or have to be, well trained in the obedience sort of realm. One hopes they would, but it’s not necessary.

 

A couple years ago I met two giant dogs (siblings) who happened to be adept in sensing blood sugar changes in the adult son of their owners. The dogs were adopted while the son was in the military, and when he had to come live with his parents post-TBI, the family discovered that they naturally did this (while he slept one night) and alerted the man’s parents (woke them up fully). Their third dog-sibling doesn’t notice or alert, but the two do. Do they have to be exceptionally obedient to do this life saving task? Nope. (They were, but they didn’t have to be)

 

Someone’s what-one-sees-as a yippy irritating pocket chihuahua could easily be doing a task like sensing incoming seizures. While being pushed around in a stroller and eating table scraps. Noticing everyone that goes by, unlike that chill GS with his seeing eye dog vest at the other table. But both can still 100% be true service dogs.

[Paulette3028]

 

Assistance animal: yes, anywhere. BS animal: no.

 

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I like your answer.

 

I want those people who legitimately need a Service Animal to have one, no problem there. When Mr/Mrs, XXXXX, just needs their little Toto as their companion and can't stand to be without them, NO, a resounding NO. An Service Animal needs training for the assistance they provide to the person, just being a lap dog, isn't the qualifier -- TO ME.

[Kaibocan]

Where are these dogs using the bathroom on the ships??

 

 

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[Clarea]

Where are these dogs using the bathroom on the ships??

There is usually a fake grass area on the outside promenade deck.

[davekathy]

Where are these dogs using the bathroom on the ships??

 

 

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Hopefully in the dedicated area(s) the ship has provided.

[SherriZ366]

There is usually a fake grass area on the outside promenade deck.

But I've heard of fake service dogs relieving themselves in many places on the ship beside the designated area on the promenade deck.

[SRF]

But I've heard of fake service dogs relieving themselves in many places on the ship beside the designated area on the promenade deck.

 

Which is a clear sign they are NOT trained service dogs.

[cdmerry]

I just got off Liberty of the Seas and 2 support dogs, one that walked and wore a vest but walked with its different owners. The other in a pink stroller with bows in its hair. Several states are starting to crack down and create laws about support dogs.

[Clarea]

I just got off Liberty of the Seas and 2 support dogs, one that walked and wore a vest but walked with its different owners. The other in a pink stroller with bows in its hair. Several states are starting to crack down and create laws about support dogs.

I think I've seen the one in the stroller on Majesty.

[agnesd]

There is a difference between a service dog and a comfort dog. Many doctors will issue the need for a comfort dog to anyone who asks for it. That’s the problem.

 

 

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[BillOh]

Hopefully in the dedicated area(s) the ship has provided.

 

 

I've seen them on the outside promenade deck on Freedom and Oasis class ships.

[Beachammo]

I think I've seen the one in the stroller on Majesty.

I've seen the pink stroller lady in the Windjammer on Jewel....but there were two dogs. Both were dressed up in outfits and bows.

 

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[chengkp75]

I think I've seen the one in the stroller on Majesty.

 

And the ADA, which should be the least restrictive policy the ship follows (they are able to set more restrictive policies than the ADA if desired), requires service dogs to be in one of two places, only: on the floor, or in the owner's arms (for those like diabetic alert dogs).

[Clarea]

And the ADA, which should be the least restrictive policy the ship follows (they are able to set more restrictive policies than the ADA if desired), requires service dogs to be in one of two places, only: on the floor, or in the owner's arms (for those like diabetic alert dogs).

The ship's management will pretty much not confront anyone anymore, so this will get more widespread.

[grapau27]

And the ADA, which should be the least restrictive policy the ship follows (they are able to set more restrictive policies than the ADA if desired), requires service dogs to be in one of two places, only: on the floor, or in the owner's arms (for those like diabetic alert dogs).

Thanks for the confirmation of allowed dogs.

My late mam was diabetic and instantly knew when her sugar was to low or high and if it was low she sucked a boiled sugar sweet and never needed a service dog to warn her.

[kknorr0320]

Thanks for the confirmation of allowed dogs.

My late mam was diabetic and instantly knew when her sugar was to low or high and if it was low she sucked a boiled sugar sweet and never needed a service dog to warn her.

Some people have blood sugar that drops faster than they can react. Dogs can sense it before it happens. Also children aren't always as in tune and often have issues while sleeping.

 

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[grapau27]

Some people have blood sugar that drops faster than they can react. Dogs can sense it before it happens. Also children aren't always as in tune and often have issues while sleeping.

 

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I can only comment on what was fact for my late mam but will acknowledge the possibility of what you have posted.

[Domino D]

Only if they are Platinum or higher, and then only by request.

Tell me you wouldn't enjoy seeing a dog in a robe.

 

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[Clarea]

Tell me you wouldn't enjoy seeing a dog in a robe.

From what I've seen, I'll bet it's been done.already.:)