Post Corona, will every ship still sail?

[Paulette3028]

4 hours ago, Fun2snorkel said:

Another thought on all the ships sailing again. How are they going to get the crew back, quarantine them for 14 or more days and test all again?  And I wonder what percentage of the crew will say - never again?

The staffing problem is going to be a real one.  I would expect that once crew members allowed to sail again, it would be after they have been considered NOT a risk, as determined by whatever is the guidelines at the time, we ALL start to return to work.

 

Many companies re-opening are going to find that some workers return.  Some had no choice but to find other jobs, with companies that were still operating.  Some decided that it was time to 'retire'.  But getting those crew members physically back to ships, is what cruise lines have been very good at over the years....the extenuating issues will be more problematic.  If they have to hire too many new employees, that training time will cause delays in deployment or they will try to sail with less crew.

 

[Etta1213]

I appreciate all the thoughtful opinions offered here. Am really hoping the ships continue cruising. Personally, I feel more at risk for disease on an airplane than on a ship, maybe since I spend little ship time at shows, none in the casino, most out on deck.

Edited April 8, 2020 by Etta1213

[tcfc424]

The ability to test for antibodies may prove to be the "lightning in a bottle."  Quarantine would be risky all around, as just one fly can ruin the fruit.  Additionally, the rapid COVID-19 tests (15 minutes) may be beneficial as well...for crew and passengers, perhaps.  IF cruising were to resume by the end of May, barring some stellar discovery that eating an apple a day prevents the disease (example only), health checks of some sort will be required.  In another thread someone mentioned that they should require additional insurance...not altogether a bad option as we have seen that medevac is required in some cases.

[PhoenixCruiser]

It is not pessimism. The problem is mutifactorial. People are out of work. When they finally get back to work a vacation will not be foremost on their minds. When they do start thinking about vacations the images of people being quarantined for weeks on ships will not fade fast. And now the media playing up the deaths on ships and countries denying entry if ships is not going to help the image.

On the other hand there are several people like me who are working more hours and are really looking forward to a vacation [emoji3][emoji924]

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[grandgeezer]

1 hour ago, PhoenixCruiser said:

On the other hand there are several people like me who are working more hours and are really looking forward to a vacation

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Om the other hand, there are people like me where money isn't a problem, but not willing to risk my health for a getaway. It's a getaway because I don't get a vacation, I'm retired.

[fla gang]

18 hours ago, Ocean Boy said:

It is not pessimism. The problem is mutifactorial. People are out of work. When they finally get back to work a vacation will not be foremost on their minds. When they do start thinking about vacations the images of people being quarantined for weeks on ships will not fade fast. And now the media playing up the deaths on ships and countries denying entry if ships is not going to help the image.

agree 100%. I have several cruises I could book through club Royale and pay only port taxes and govt fees, but I don't feel like it will be safe to be in a crowded casino or dining room until there is a vaccine. I don't want to take a cruise with the possibility that someone may have covid 19 and we may all be quarantined. I love cruising and try to do 3 or 4 every year, but this is gonna make me rethink my vacations for quite sometime! jmo

[leisuretraveler223]

12 hours ago, Etta1213 said:

 Personally, I feel more at risk for disease on an airplane than on a ship

 

Just to be clear, you can "feel" that way all you want.  But it doesn't make it true. You are much more at risk on the cruise ship than an airplane.

[SNJCruisers]

1 hour ago, leisuretraveler223 said:

 

Just to be clear, you can "feel" that way all you want.  But it doesn't make it true. You are much more at risk on the cruise ship than an airplane.

You can practice social distancing to a certain degree while on a cruise ship.  It's impossible to do so on a full airplane.

[leisuretraveler223]

19 minutes ago, SNJCruisers said:

You can practice social distancing to a certain degree while on a cruise ship.  It's impossible to do so on a full airplane.

 

And you can come up with all the arguments that sound good you want.  But epidemiologically speaking, it still doesn't support the argument.  Spend five hours on a plane vs. 4-6 days on a cruise (note, I'm OVERESTIMATING the flight length and UNDERESTIMATING the cruise length), you are more likely to contract an illness on the cruise.

 

And before you argue "social distancing", flights are still running. Cruises aren't. That should tell you something about that argument.

[JAMESCC]

4 hours ago, leisuretraveler223 said:

 

Just to be clear, you can "feel" that way all you want.  But it doesn't make it true. You are much more at risk on the cruise ship than an airplane.

There is absolutely no fresh air on a plane. Its all recirculated air. If cruise passengers weren't such pigs, the small minority that are, if they washed their dam hands every time they saw a Purell station and especially in the buffet there would probably be next to no issues on ships. Its the disgusting few that refuse to washy, washy, and like to touch, yes TOUCH the food in the buffet that ruin everything. When I see the Purell stations on the ship I get giddy. I love the smell of Purell. 

[time4u2go]

21 minutes ago, JAMESCC said:

There is absolutely no fresh air on a plane. Its all recirculated air. If cruise passengers weren't such pigs, the small minority that are, if they washed their dam hands every time they saw a Purell station and especially in the buffet there would probably be next to no issues on ships. Its the disgusting few that refuse to washy, washy, and like to touch, yes TOUCH the food in the buffet that ruin everything. When I see the Purell stations on the ship I get giddy. I love the smell of Purell. 

Very NOT true:

https://www.travelandleisure.com/airlines-airports/how-airplane-cabin-air-works

 

https://www.askthepilot.com/questionanswers/cabin-air-quality/

Edited April 8, 2020 by time4u2go

[zekekelso]

24 minutes ago, JAMESCC said:

When I see the Purell stations on the ship I get giddy. I love the smell of Purell. 

 

I like the sanitizers that just smell like vodka 🙂

[JAMESCC]

22 minutes ago, time4u2go said:

Very NOT true:

https://www.travelandleisure.com/airlines-airports/how-airplane-cabin-air-works

 

https://www.askthepilot.com/questionanswers/cabin-air-quality/

OK. its mostly recirculated air. Its not fresh air on the pool deck of a ship. That being said, forget about plane Vs ship because there is no reason to pit one against the other.

Lets just take cruise ships. If the small percentage of pigs were not pigs most of the issues ships have would be eliminated. There are usually 2 or 3 times I get annoyed at passengers for what they do in the buffet or really in general around the ship. And I don't go to the buffet all that much. I mean probably less than average because of the crowds mostly. In any event it sounds like self serve buffets are going by by anyway. Do you see what Genting cruises is doing? Elimination of self serve buffets. I bet all lines follow that. That will cut down even more of me going to the buffet. Yes it might be more sanitary and safe but more crowded too. 

[JAMESCC]

26 minutes ago, zekekelso said:

 

I like the sanitizers that just smell like vodka 🙂

Well I don't drink alcohol so I will stick to drinking the Purell. 🤣 

[boatseller]

Ayayay...

 

They will begin sailing as many ships as they can fill.

None of the cruise lines will go bankrupt.

Laid up ships require relatively little to maintain.

Treatments for C19 will become widely available.

There are plenty of low risk retirees who will still cruise.

There are plenty of low risk people who are still fully employed that will still cruise.

C19 will be forgotten a lot sooner than anyone thinks right now.

Norovirus will continue be the biggest risk while cruising.

 

Happy sailing!

[zekekelso]

49 minutes ago, boatseller said:

Ayayay...

 

They will begin sailing as many ships as they can fill.

None of the cruise lines will go bankrupt.

Laid up ships require relatively little to maintain.

Treatments for C19 will become widely available.

There are plenty of low risk retirees who will still cruise.

There are plenty of low risk people who are still fully employed that will still cruise.

C19 will be forgotten a lot sooner than anyone thinks right now.

Norovirus will continue be the biggest risk while cruising.

 

Happy sailing!

 

Sounds like a good plan. Well, other than that point. If we can get rid of the coronavirus worry, can we get rid of noro while we are at it 🙂

[JAMESCC]

2 hours ago, boatseller said:

Ayayay...

 

They will begin sailing as many ships as they can fill.

None of the cruise lines will go bankrupt.

Laid up ships require relatively little to maintain.

Treatments for C19 will become widely available.

There are plenty of low risk retirees who will still cruise.

There are plenty of low risk people who are still fully employed that will still cruise.

C19 will be forgotten a lot sooner than anyone thinks right now.

Norovirus will continue be the biggest risk while cruising.

 

Happy sailing!

Love it! Love the optimism! You sound like me!

[John&LaLa]

ClubRoyale (casino) is giving away cabins on the following ships for all sailings between July 14 and August 30. 

Symphony 

Navigator 

Independence 

Harmony 

Mariner 

Liberty

 

That's a good indication on when they will resume and with which ships

 

In my opinion 

 

Thanks to @Milwaukee Eight for steering me to check it out

[trajan]

6 hours ago, boatseller said:

Ayayay...

 

They will begin sailing as many ships as they can fill.

None of the cruise lines will go bankrupt.

Laid up ships require relatively little to maintain.

Treatments for C19 will become widely available.

There are plenty of low risk retirees who will still cruise.

There are plenty of low risk people who are still fully employed that will still cruise.

C19 will be forgotten a lot sooner than anyone thinks right now.

Norovirus will continue be the biggest risk while cruising.

 

Happy sailing!

heh You sound like the Disney fans who are talking up how they are going to the parks in June or August and are worried about how crowded they will be.

 

Not RC but to raise cash to cover the next 6 months Carnival just sold debt promising a 12.5% return. This while interest rates are rock bottom. That is a classic all or nothing pre-bankrupt move and why are people buying? Because buyers get first claim on the ships. Few expect to actually get the promised 12.5% return. 

They and all the other cruise lines are #$%&ed and they know it. Bankruptcy, buyouts, retiring older ships; these will all happen unless there is some miracle. And there won't be a miracle.

Edited April 9, 2020 by trajan

[SNJCruisers]

13 hours ago, leisuretraveler223 said:

 

And you can come up with all the arguments that sound good you want.

 

And before you argue "social distancing", flights are still running. Cruises aren't. That should tell you something about that argument.

Flights are still running because there is still a small percentage of business fliers that need to get from point A to point B for work. This is considered necessary just like supermarkets, take out places, pharmacies, gas stations and medical facilities are considered necessary. Cruises are not considered necessary and are shut down. 

Whether you want to believe it or not, social distancing is a major reason for the flattening of the curve.  Why is it that supermarkets are only letting in a certain number of people at a time to shop in the store, while there is a line outside waiting to get in?  Why will the proposed reinstatement of MLB include games being played in empty stadiums in Arizona while players sit in the stands instead of the dugout?  It's all because of social distancing and this can be accomplished on a cruise ship, while it can't be accomplished on a mostly full let alone full airplane.  I'll take my chances on a 7 day cruise versus a 3 hour plane ride.  You're entitled to your opinion, and I'm entitled to mine.

[JAMESCC]

5 hours ago, trajan said:

heh You sound like the Disney fans who are talking up how they are going to the parks in June or August and are worried about how crowded they will be.

 

Not RC but to raise cash to cover the next 6 months Carnival just sold debt promising a 12.5% return. This while interest rates are rock bottom. That is a classic all or nothing pre-bankrupt move and why are people buying? Because buyers get first claim on the ships. Few expect to actually get the promised 12.5% return. 

They and all the other cruise lines are #$%&ed and they know it. Bankruptcy, buyouts, retiring older ships; these will all happen unless there is some miracle. And there won't be a miracle.

Woo hoo, here is to pessimism! Alright, good for you. 

Everyone forget it, this industry is dead. Carnival, Royal, NCL are out of business. The ships will be sunk to the bottom of the ocean to be a an artificial reef. I don't time for people like you. I truly don't. 

Edited April 9, 2020 by JAMESCC

[Milwaukee Eight]

7 hours ago, John&LaLa said:

ClubRoyale (casino) is giving away cabins on the following ships for all sailings between July 14 and August 30. 

Symphony 

Navigator 

Independence 

Harmony 

Mariner 

Liberty

 

That's a good indication on when they will resume and with which ships

 

In my opinion 

 

Thanks to @Milwaukee Eight for steering me to check it out

No risk for Royal. If cancelled, no FCC or refund. 

[M&A]

15 hours ago, JAMESCC said:

There is absolutely no fresh air on a plane. Its all recirculated air. If cruise passengers weren't such pigs, the small minority that are, if they washed their dam hands every time they saw a Purell station and especially in the buffet there would probably be next to no issues on ships. Its the disgusting few that refuse to washy, washy, and like to touch, yes TOUCH the food in the buffet that ruin everything. When I see the Purell stations on the ship I get giddy. I love the smell of Purell. 

 

One of the ideas that was put forward by another cruise line to start again,  was eliminating the buffet.    Wait staff would serve people in the buffet areas.

 That may make sense,  even though it could slow things down quite a bit and long line ups to get into buffet areas.   They may have to give passengers a specific time to get into the buffet area.

[leisuretraveler223]

16 hours ago, JAMESCC said:

If cruise passengers weren't such pigs, the small minority that are, if they washed their dam hands every time they saw a Purell station and especially in the buffet there would probably be next to no issues on ships.

 

I agree there would be FEWER episodes on ships. To say there would be "next to no" is purely speculative and likely inaccurate, albeit unverifiable.

 

However, your argument holds no water, as by your own admission this isn't the case.

Regardless, I say it again, you can come up with all the arguments you want, but this isn't a debate. It's a factual reality backed up by mountains of public health and epidemiological data. You are far more likely to get sick on a cruise than from flying.

[bouhunter]

2 hours ago, Milwaukee Eight said:

No risk for Royal. If cancelled, no FCC or refund. 

Exactly.  They're probably hoping people book those free cruises so when they cancel the offer for those individuals is gone.