Will Florida cruises start back up in August?

[atanac]

2 minutes ago, ECCruise said:

There is no easy solution for the muster drill.  It is mandated, as are the requirements for how it is conducted, by SOLAS agreement.

 

If that's true and the cruise lines can't get a revision/temporary waiver from SOLAS how on Earth can they have a traditional muster drill?

[ECCruise]

1 minute ago, atanac said:

If that's true and the cruise lines can't get a revision/temporary waiver from SOLAS how on Earth can they have a traditional muster drill?

No temporary waivers to anything in SOLAS.

Has to be voted on by the member states (of which there are 162).  They don't mess around with this stuff.  For obvious reasons.

How will they do muster?  I would think that is one of the many things that cruise companies are wrestling with.  And why I don't expect much (or any, perhaps) sailing in the next 4 or 5 months.

[ECCruise]

8 minutes ago, atanac said:

If that's true and the cruise lines can't get a revision/temporary waiver from SOLAS how on Earth can they have a traditional muster drill?

One option, since the muster drill needs to be done within 24 hours of sailing, is to split the drill into 3 or 4 different musters, reducing crowds by 67-75%.

[time4u2go]

2 minutes ago, ECCruise said:

One option, since the muster drill needs to be done within 24 hours of sailing, is to split the drill into 3 or 4 different musters, reducing crowds by 67-75%.

According to @chengkp75, that would not be allowed:

 

 

 

[ECCruise]

Just now, time4u2go said:

According to @chengkp75, that would not be allowed:

 

 

Well that goes kaput then.  It is a problem that not many seem to be considering when they think they are going to be hopping on a ship in 6 weeks.  I had forgot about the "at one time" requirement in the SOLAS regulations.

[BirdTravels]

11 minutes ago, ECCruise said:

Well that goes kaput then.  It is a problem that not many seem to be considering when they think they are going to be hopping on a ship in 6 weeks.  I had forgot about the "at one time" requirement in the SOLAS regulations.

there is little to no social distancing today. No matter what the recommendation are. Whether vegas or miami or your local grocery store. we went to costco yesterday and the vast majority of people did not maintain 6' distance. I had people reach over my shoulder to grab something off a shelf, breathing on me, multiple times.  

[ECCruise]

2 minutes ago, BirdTravels said:

there is little to no social distancing today. No matter what the recommendation are. Whether vegas or miami or your local grocery store. we went to costco yesterday and the vast majority of people did not maintain 6' distance. I had people reach over my shoulder to grab something off a shelf, breathing on me, multiple times.  

Agreed.

That doesn't mean that the CDC is going to throw up their hands and say, "well, people aren't doing it on land, so let's allow them to crowd all over each other in the casino and muster drill and the bars on ships."

Hopefully they aren't that stupid, but....

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[Charles4515]

We are scheduled for August 1 on Oasis of the Seas out of New Jersey. [emoji1694]


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[BirdTravels]

3 minutes ago, ECCruise said:

Agreed.

That doesn't mean that the CDC is going to throw up their hands and say, "well, people aren't doing it on land, so let's allow them to crowd all over each other in the casino and muster drill and the bars on ships."

Hopefully they aren't that stupid, but....

My point was that no matter what the rules are, it is up to the people on the ship, at the store, on the plane, at the casino, to abide by them to keep other safe. The CDC will certainly setup guidelines. And all cruise ships will request compliance. 

 

We were on a long round trip flight last weekend, and even though you were required to wear a mask, compliance throughout the flight was very low. The flight attendants were constantly reminding people walking up and down the aisle to the lav to put a mask on while they stood next to seated passengers. 

 

We were also in a hotel that required that you wear a mask inside. You had to acknowledge and sign the rules at check-in. And compliance was less than 30%. and there was no social distancing by those not wearing masks. People were on vacation. 

[ECCruise]

16 minutes ago, BirdTravels said:

My point was that no matter what the rules are, it is up to the people on the ship, at the store, on the plane, at the casino, to abide by them to keep other safe. The CDC will certainly setup guidelines. And all cruise ships will request compliance. 

 

We were on a long round trip flight last weekend, and even though you were required to wear a mask, compliance throughout the flight was very low. The flight attendants were constantly reminding people walking up and down the aisle to the lav to put a mask on while they stood next to seated passengers. 

 

We were also in a hotel that required that you wear a mask inside. You had to acknowledge and sign the rules at check-in. And compliance was less than 30%. and there was no social distancing by those not wearing masks. People were on vacation. 

That is a good point.

We are here in Tourist Central, USA and even though the county has a clear directive that masks must be worn inside, the tourists started flouting the regulation the minute that the hotels were opened.  Since the locals are the ones in the grocery stores, I see 95% or more compliance.  The breweries stuffed with tourists from FL, TN, SC?  Not so much. 

[dalee21860]

On 6/4/2020 at 2:50 PM, Joseph2017China said:

COVID cases in Florida are flat.  All major tourist areas are opening  between now and July. Major events are being held in Orlando at the convention center.  Sporting events are coming to Disney wide world of sports.  Florida is in phase 2. 

 

Tourist attractions have gone through reviews already for reopen plans.  There is a plan for cruises, we just don't know them yet.  But cruises will start soon.  August I hope, but it is not know yet. 

 

No cruise line is going to magically turn on the key, and start every cruise on the same day.  But if you are booked from Florida to the Bahamas, that will almost certainly be the first one to go.  Bahamas have a tourism start date in place, and Florida most likely will be at the Phase 3 mark sometime in July, so yes, it is a higher probability now that August might happen. 

 

However, many of the longer multiport trips, might be more complicated to start. 

They are on the rise in Florida we have had over 6000 new cases in the last 3 days alone I know they are testing more and I agree to a point but we also went to phase 2 a week ago everywhere but Miami area. The highest age group has changed to the 25 to 35 age group they seem to be more inclined to not wear masks 

[Spurschick]

6 hours ago, toad455 said:

Cruises are set to resume in 7 weeks. 7 WEEKS!! You would think the cruise lines would announce their protocol & such with how they'll resume. Though it seemly less & less likely they'll actually be sailing come Aug. 1. I hope there's an announcement of some kind this week. Feel bad for anyone with a cruise booked in August.

As much as I would love to know the plans I don’t see them giving 7 weeks notice. Theme parks, Vegas etc didn’t give 7 weeks notice, at least not to the public. 

 

I would expect any announcement to be issued about 4 weeks out from resumption date as I expect that is when they will either announce which ships will start sailing (it’s certainly not going to be all of them at the same time) or extend the suspension.

[PhoenixCruiser]

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10 hours ago, Spurschick said:

As much as I would love to know the plans I don’t see them giving 7 weeks notice. Theme parks, Vegas etc didn’t give 7 weeks notice, at least not to the public. 

 

I would expect any announcement to be issued about 4 weeks out from resumption date as I expect that is when they will either announce which ships will start sailing (it’s certainly not going to be all of them at the same time) or extend the suspension.

Outside of Epcot (and they aren’t using their foreign employees for the world showcase when they reopen) no other businesses have to fly crew in from all over the world to get a ship running.  Crew which they are working incredibly hard to just try and get hoke right now.  The land based resorts also don’t have to stop repatriating their crew and get their hotels back to their home locations.

 

People throughout all of this keep referring to what land based resorts are doing.  That is apples and oranges.  Land based resorts and theme parks are a totally different ball game than cruises.  It’s why many love to cruise but are just “meh” when it comes to land based resorts.  The logistics of a cruise ship are so much more difficult than a land based resort and the social distancing so much harder.  Cruises are basically floating prisons and nursing homes in the eyes of the CDC.  They have that level of transmission rate and despite what we believe in Cruise Critic, they are not essential for the US to operate.

 

Getting on a cruise is ship is doing the EXACT OPPOSITE of what we have learned about the virus regarding mitigating transmission over the last 3 months.  
 

1.) It effects elderly and those with comorbidities significantly more.

2.) It has a significantly higher transmission rate indoors without direct sunlight.  The smaller the indoor space the higher the transmission and higher likelihood of inhaling the virus.  (Think the chance of swallowing a significant amount of someone’s pee in a kiddie pool vs swallowing pee from a specific person in the ocean while on a beach.)

3.) There is significant spread via talking, along with just coughing.

4.). Time of exposure is significant component in transmission.

Theme parks are primarily outdoors with occasional use of indoor spaces.  (Gift shops and restaurants) in which occupancy  can at least on paper be tightly regulated.  Cruise ships are primarily indoor spaces with outdoor decks that are used only in good weather and during the day.  Casinos can also socially distance and they tend to have higher ceilings with better ventilation that’s a cruise ship (that could be debatable given the smoke I always smell) but the point is the per person space ratio is much lower on a land based casino.

 

The fact that as of a week ago the CDC hasn’t even started looking at cruising tells me cruises have a LOOONG way to go before they even remotely come up with a plan that will satisfy the CDC.

[Milwaukee Eight]

Update on Disney opening. When they open, Disney is using a reservation only process to enter the parks. No tickets/reservations are open to the general public. Only Pass Holders may make reservations. Masks are required except while dinning. Not supposed to be lines at attractions. This will also be by reservation for ride time. 
 

Of course this is all subject to change. 
 

M8

[John&LaLa]

14 hours ago, Melissahoyer said:

We are scheduled for August 1 on Oasis of the Seas out of New Jersey. 🤞🏼


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This thread is about Florida, so maybe Oasis will sail from there instead. 🤔

[A&L_Ont]

27 minutes ago, Milwaukee Eight said:

Update on Disney opening. When they open, Disney is using a reservation only process to enter the parks. No tickets/reservations are open to the general public. Only Pass Holders may make reservations. Masks are required except while dinning. Not supposed to be lines at attractions. This will also be by reservation for ride time. 
 

Of course this is all subject to change. 
 

M8

Disney Park Pass Holders are die hard fans, who will jump through any/many hoops to get their fix.  

[Oxo]

Be careful!

https://www.miamiherald.com/news/coronavirus/article243527852.html

 

https://www.cnn.com/2020/06/15/us/florida-coronavirus-data-dashboard/index.html

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[HBE4]

24 minutes ago, A&L_Ont said:

Disney Park Pass Holders are die hard fans, who will jump through any/many hoops to get their fix.  

 

I know of a few here on CC that will do the same for their cruise fix. 😇

[JoeFan]

14 hours ago, BirdTravels said:

there is little to no social distancing today. No matter what the recommendation are. Whether vegas or miami or your local grocery store. we went to costco yesterday and the vast majority of people did not maintain 6' distance. I had people reach over my shoulder to grab something off a shelf, breathing on me, multiple times.  

 

This is so true. You can put up as many signs as you want. You can paint as many lines on the floor as you want. But people aren't going to obey.

Look at some of the pictures of Central Park over the weekend. People are done.

https://nypost.com/2020/06/14/central-park-sunbathers-defy-coronavirus-seen-butt-naked/

[Mark52479]

9 minutes ago, Oxo said:

Be careful!

https://www.miamiherald.com/news/coronavirus/article243527852.html

 

More testing being done.  Lower age group this time around.

 

Officials in Florida are NOT looking at how many new cases but instead percent positive (which continues across the board in Fl below the required 10%) and hospital capacity.

 

With pretty much all the big Tourist attractions open now or opening in the next couple of weeks I would imagine Florida will welcome cruising to start up again by Aug if allowed.  

[toad455]

13 minutes ago, Mark52479 said:

 

More testing being done.  Lower age group this time around.

 

Officials in Florida are NOT looking at how many new cases but instead percent positive (which continues across the board in Fl below the required 10%) and hospital capacity.

 

With pretty much all the big Tourist attractions open now or opening in the next couple of weeks I would imagine Florida will welcome cruising to start up again by Aug if allowed.  

 

yeah, the key right now are hospitalizations and death rates. The 3-day death rate(June 12-14) was the lowest combined three day total since late-March. Testing is easily available in NJ and anyone can get tested now, yet NJ's positive rate continues to decrease.

[time4u2go]

17 minutes ago, toad455 said:

 

yeah, the key right now are hospitalizations and death rates. The 3-day death rate(June 12-14) was the lowest combined three day total since late-March. Testing is easily available in NJ and anyone can get tested now, yet NJ's positive rate continues to decrease.

While Florida's continues to increase 

[Oxo]

21 minutes ago, time4u2go said:

While Florida's continues to increase 

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/florida-coronavirus-reopening-cases-surge-testing-a9565996.html

[PhillyFan33579]

19 minutes ago, time4u2go said:

While Florida's continues to increase 

According to the local news last night (I live in the Tampa area) despite the recent increase in positive tests, the state positive rate is at 5.4% overall, which is an acceptable number in my book and with a lot of leaders in our state.