Return to normalcy?

[Milwaukee Eight]

4 minutes ago, yogimax said:

Better to be an alive "doom and gloomer" than a dead Mr. Sunshine.

 

[Tippyton]

4 minutes ago, yogimax said:

Better to be an alive "doom and gloomer" than a dead Mr. Sunshine.

"Behind every dark cloud is an even darker cloud".  

 

It must suck to live life like that.

[HBE4]

27 minutes ago, Milwaukee Eight said:

I believe that only lasted through April. It was never enforced. I mean if you wee asked to pull over I believe they gave you a sheet of paper explaining what to do. Same at airports. News crews showed passengers getting the notice when they got into the terminal and most threw them in the trash as they were leaving the airport. We had a friend who lives out on Long Island. He and his family tested positive. He said they were harassed daily to insure they were in their home under quarantine. 

 

I went to Mr. Google to look it up. It was lifted in August, very quietly. Just in time for snowbird season. 🙂  And yes, they were given a sheet of paper for fill out & that's when the officer told my friends that it would not be forwarded to Tampa....basically it would get trashed. 

 

Most of those interstate ban on travelers were nothing more than "feel good" restrictions. Totally unenforceable, no follow-up, but it made the people passing those restrictions "feel good" about themselves because something was being done. I flew into Newark when I came back from Aruba last Nov. Never had to fill anything out. Being the good sheep that I am, I notified the NY DOH the next day. It took them a week into my quarantine before a contact tracer reached out to me. After that, it was just daily text updates.

 

27 minutes ago, Milwaukee Eight said:

I’m not sure the lockdown was helpful at all and Florida NEVER sentenced those in LTC facilities to death by Covid. 

 

Well, seeing how this thread it going to be locked down soon, all I can say is there is a lot of he-said, she-said, they-said, who knew what and when did they know it. Allegedly, LTC always had the right to refuse anybody they could not isolate and care for. LTC say they did not know that & they felt bullied into accepting patients. That part I can believe. Let's see what happens when the dust settles.

 

 

Edited March 26, 2021 by HBE4

[lenquixote66]

1 hour ago, Ocean Boy said:

Then it is a good thing my 2022 bookings all have refundable deposits.

Friends of ours just booked a cruise for December 2021.They believe that cruising will be as it was in 2019 .I hope they can do the cruise and that you can go on your cruises.I will be very happy to be wrong in my prediction.

[yogimax]

47 minutes ago, Milwaukee Eight said:

 

Indeed!  In this case the wolf is COVID and many are blindly following a false narrative which was promoted early on that there was nothing to worry about.

[Sky616]

50 minutes ago, Milwaukee Eight said:

 

Plenty of them on cruise critic and they should know who they are.

[yogimax]

50 minutes ago, Tippyton said:

"Behind every dark cloud is an even darker cloud".  

 

It must suck to live life like that.

Hey, I'm enjoying life.  The sacrifices are few...

- wear a mask

- socially distance

- be vaccinated

 

Those living under the dark cloud are those who ignore the reality of COVID

[HBE4]

33 minutes ago, HBE4 said:

nd yes, they were given a sheet of paper for fill out & that's when the officer told my friends that it would not be forwarded to Tampa....basically it would get trashed. 

 

Just wanted to add: Kudo's to the Florida officer that gave them honest information, not the "by the book" code.

[HBE4]

56 minutes ago, Milwaukee Eight said:

 

 

 I always had a thing for Little Miss Bo Peep, so I'm good in my flock. 😅

 

Just google Bo Peep Halloween costumes and you'll know what i mean. lol

 

 

Edited March 26, 2021 by HBE4

[dswallow]

On 3/24/2021 at 7:23 PM, ace2542 said:

Considering that Royal and Celeb are part of the same grouping it would be unlikely they would adopt different policies.

 

Experiments. 🙂

[Ocean Boy]

1 hour ago, HBE4 said:

I went to Mr. Google to look it up. 

Every time I go there it is Mrs. Google that answers me.

[ace2542]

3 hours ago, Ocean Boy said:

Wow, yet you constantly criticize the U.S. You should concentrate more on fixing your own problems.

I am sure your hospitals will face a similar ongoing problem. But yeah we have let the NHS go and we apparently sold of a number of years ago massive gold reserves with countless billions. Money we need right now. This has destroyed the political ambitions of the labour party and their wish to restore public ownership to everything for generations to come.

Edited March 26, 2021 by ace2542

[Milwaukee Eight]

31 minutes ago, ace2542 said:

I am sure your hospitals will face a similar ongoing problem

I’m sure your wrong unless we go to socialized healthcare in which case we are likely to end like other failing programs. 

[Ocean Boy]

1 hour ago, Milwaukee Eight said:

I’m sure your wrong unless we go to socialized healthcare in which case we are likely to end like other failing programs. 

Exactly this.

[Ocean Boy]

1 hour ago, ace2542 said:

I am sure your hospitals will face a similar ongoing problem. But yeah we have let the NHS go and we apparently sold of a number of years ago massive gold reserves with countless billions. Money we need right now. This has destroyed the political ambitions of the labour party and their wish to restore public ownership to everything for generations to come.

Hardly. If you needed your gallbladder out I could have it in a specimen cup by the end of next week.

[ace2542]

16 hours ago, Milwaukee Eight said:

I’m sure your wrong unless we go to socialized healthcare in which case we are likely to end like other failing programs. 

I will give you that but ask a question back. How many people who are uninsured in America and have suffered with this will now have massive bills to pay. Or how many people may see health insurance costs increase because of it?

[mek]

18 hours ago, yogimax said:

Hey, I'm enjoying life.  The sacrifices are few...

- wear a mask

- socially distance

- be vaccinated

 

Those living under the dark cloud are those who ignore the reality of COVID

Exactly - now that my husband and I have been vaccinated those are really the only restrictions I'm following.  My life has done a 180 since 2 weeks after my 2nd shot.

[vacationlover_mn]

On 3/26/2021 at 6:54 AM, d9704011 said:

Here is one for States, Provinces not included....

https://www.statista.com/statistics/1109011/coronavirus-covid19-death-rates-us-by-state/

Thanks!  That’s exactly what I was looking for 🙂

[vacationlover_mn]

19 hours ago, yogimax said:

Hey, I'm enjoying life.  The sacrifices are few...

- wear a mask

- socially distance

- be vaccinated

 

Those living under the dark cloud are those who ignore the reality of COVID

I really hope people continue to wash their hands appropriately too.  Hopefully gone are the days when people leave the restroom without washing their hands!

[mek]

3 minutes ago, vacationlover_mn said:

I really hope people continue to wash their hands appropriately too.  Hopefully gone are the days when people leave the restroom without washing their hands!

I hope so too, but that was something I was doing pre-covid.  Hope people continue that habit.

[florida eagle]

1 hour ago, ace2542 said:

I will give you that but ask a question back. How many people who are uninsured in America and have suffered with this will now have massive bills to pay. Or how many people may see health insurance costs increase because of it?

There are tens of millions of people who never spent a cent in taxes and insurance who have gotten medical care that has cost many dollars. The real question is how much medical costs go up annually behind the scenes even with national health insurance? We live in a politically divisive unhealthy society in our nation. A nation of jealousies and beliefs that some one other is getting over on the next guy. So arguments will occur on having operations based on race, gender and everything else you can think of as the costs rise more and more and the government has to restrict medical treatments at different levels. And then the lawyers....oh the lawyers...

[teacherman]

I live in Michigan.  If I could enjoy eating at outdoor restaurants year-round and out on my boat year-round and playing golf year-round, then I would never have to go to Florida in the winter.  I went for a week in December and did not feel as comfortable concerning Covid restrictions.  In large stores, like Publix, people were all wearing masks.  In restaurants, it seemed about half were wearing masks, and not even all of the wait staff.  In a small convenience store, I was the only one. Just MY personal observation.  When I see other people wearing a mask, to me it is a little reminder that things are not really "normal", which I think is what this thread is about.

 

When this all started, about 12 months ago, we were told it would probably take 12-18 months to return to "normal".  It is now 12 months.  From the beginning, I thought "normal" activities might begin in the fall.   We are kind of on schedule for that.   I hope.

 

We were also told that "if we did everything correctly, we could still lose about 240,000 people.  I guess we have not all done things correctly.   Sad.

[sugcarol]

From the beginning we were told that less than 15% hospital beds with Covid is the goal. We are way below that now. CDC does not have a leg to stand on. We met that goal months ago, that is why states opened up. The vaccine made a huge difference, it is no longer an automatic death sentence like when it first began. If you get it will be mild or asymptomatic, or not get it at all.

[broberts]

29 minutes ago, sugcarol said:

From the beginning we were told that less than 15% hospital beds with Covid is the goal. We are way below that now. CDC does not have a leg to stand on. We met that goal months ago, that is why states opened up. The vaccine made a huge difference, it is no longer an automatic death sentence like when it first began. If you get it will be mild or asymptomatic, or not get it at all.

 

Who told us? What exactly did they tell us?

 

Can you provide actual data that shows the impact of vaccinations?

 

Since well under 60% of the adult population has even one shot I really can't see how they are protected from serious cases of covid.

[Tree_skier]

On 3/26/2021 at 1:26 PM, Ocean Boy said:

Hardly. If you needed your gallbladder out I could have it in a specimen cup by the end of next week.

In Canada, when I needed an MRI for my MCL back in 2012 the wait was almost a year.  If I had been emergent it would have been faster but this was an old injury that was deterring.  I chose not to wait.  I drove to Bellingham WA and paid ~$600 and got it done.  

 

The wait time to see an ENT specialist was 4 months.  If the growth in my neck had proven to be cancerous I would have been dead.  Thankfully, it was a lymph node that had gotten badly infected and swelled.  Day surgery and I was out of there.  People advocating for universal healthcare in the US have never had to live with it or were privileged in some way to be able to jump ahead in the line.  I love my private health care insurance provided by Kaiser Permanente and wouldn't trade it for what I used to know for anything.