Would you cruise out of Florida if the sailing was allowing more than 5% un-vaccinated?

[Joseph2017China]

Everything in your post I do on a daily basis.....so what is the point of the post.  Haven't worn a mask in over a month, shop, eat, socialize, go to bars, and got back from an International trip (mask only worn on plane).  No one asks if you are vaccinated.....this is nothing more than a media storm, to continue bashing the success Florida has had.  If you don't feel safe, don't book a cruise.....but I will be on 2 different ships  before the year ends.....Proud to be Florida

[MiniChunks]

I will get on a ship the first chance I get. Don't care about vaccination numbers, but hope there is no mask policy in place. I'm vaccinated and ready to get back to normal life. Vaccination is a personal choice that I don't believe should be forced on anyone, and if you are willing to take the risk, you should be willing to accept the consequences. I just hope the cruise lines don't shut down a cruise because of a couple positive tests. Arrange for quarantine facilities at the ports, and drop off anyone who tests positive(yes, myself included). 

[kearney]

6 hours ago, Board_Shorts said:

With cruise ships being the perfect environment for the rapid spread of airborne pathogens (viruses which stay in the air) and with un-vaccinated guests inevitably mixing with everyone onboard, but most importantly mixing with each other; THAT being the main issue - contagions will lead to medical emergencies, medical diverts, curtailed sailings, possible ship wide quarantines for the un-vaccinated, if not for everyone, and unfortunately of course most probably more deaths.

 

Passing in hallways for example, sharing the same pool/hot tub, sharing a dining table?? (Nope!) just walking along the Royal Promenade, which is an enclosed space, visiting the shops, touching anything which they then put back, sharing elevators (always use a knuckle for the buttons; a good tip given to me years ago.) But who knows?

 

Unless Fain's latest statement mentioning the "extra processes incurring extra costs, and extra restrictions," and presumably needing to pay vast amounts for 'Royal Caribbean Brand' onboard testing, daily hopefully? Chargeable to their SeaPass account of course."

 

With all that the un-vaccinated will need to adhere to, I can't see many bothering with a cruise this year and hopefully going somewhere else, or preferably staying home.

 

Vaccinated guests are not worried about catching the virus - we're immune. What we ARE worried about though, are the un-vaccinated who still decide to cruise, despite all the dangers, extra costs and as yet unknown procedures, and the likelyhood of at least a few medical diverts and quarantines happening in the cruise industry this year.

 

I may be wrong but I see it as an extremely selfish thing to be doing.

 

All views welcome.

I don't believe cruise ships are the perfect storm anymore... changes have been made in terms of airflow and medical center has been modified to be able to handle cases..they have extra medical personnel and plans to isolated and contact trace and evacuate impacted passengers... I just wish that they would spell it out ... but if you look at cdc guidance you will see requirements... one of the reasons for test sailings is to make sure ships and crew are prepared and trained. Also ships have been sailing with unvaccinated all around the world for months... and they have demonstrated safety protocols effective.

 

Almost every ship I have been on has had a medical emergency..the reason I now buy travel insurance... I have seen helicopter evacuations... small boats pull along side... and the ship itself returning to port.. Also... from June - Dec is hurricane season... I have been on ships literally racing a hurricane... many ports dropped... seen (but not experienced) ships having to disembark in another state because of storms... so if you cruise.. especially during this time of year.. you run the risk of all of these... I think the selfish are the ones who want others to change their plans because it may inconvenience them.... However that said... anyplace I go in my state... I don't have to mask up or socially distance and I would like it to be the same when I am on vacation... now perhaps tight spots will require social distancing even if vaccinated..but for the most part I am protected. I think it is pointless to worry about remote possibilities of shortened cruises... when we are talking about sailing in hurricane season...in the Caribbean... and they say this year will be above average in terms of storms.

[WAHMto5]

I would for sure, can’t wait!

[dappledumpling]

Can't wait to get back on a cruise ship.. Will be on the first sailing of Allure in august if things go smooth..  This is a horrible disease but refuse to live life in a bubble. I am fully vaccinated and ready to roll.... 

[L454S]

Agree with above....get on with life as usual. If somebody gets sick on the sailing, treat it like Noro. Send them to their room, it's NOT a big deal.

[Tudy]

Yes for me!!

[broberts]

I'm not interested in any sailing with less than everyone 12 and older being vaccinated.

 

That said, let's not get carried away with the doom and gloom scenarios that are incredibly unlikely. The chances of an outbreak on a 7 day cruise are probably less likely than the chance of a single breakthrough infection. The chance of a cruise being curtailed due to covid cases is almost as unlikely.

 

What I do worry about is even longer elevator waits, having to wear masks in congregate situations, and needing costly tests for ports of call.

[dodgestang]

I am hoping for more cruises with no vaccine requirements and no mask mandates.  Then I can sit around and people watch and see who pays attention and who doesn't based on their facial attire onboard.

 

We have no mask mandate in MD anymore.....finally was able to go back to the casino when my folks drive up from Florida to celebrate my birthday....was amusing watching 1/4 of the people at the casino walking around with single and double masks and complaining that people were at the slot machine next to them or sitting too close at the table games.....

[smokeybandit]

Seeing as every day community interaction is much more than 5% unvaccinated, people are fooling themselves if they say "no"

[TACRuisers]

Absolutely as long as no mask is required for those that are vaccinated.

[Iamcruzin]

The world is opening up again. I refuse to board a cruise ship where I have to follow protocols as if we were still in 2020.  I would rather board a cruise ship from Cape Liberty, NYC or San Juan than board one in Florida on a good day.

The itineraries from NY NJ are not much different than the ones leaving from Florida and they are usually extended to 9 days. If I have to fly I would rather start my vacation earlier in PR and sail a southern a itinerary. Also ships leaving Florida don’t call on Bermuda. 

[Junkhouse]

We have a cruise leaving Florida in October.  We have been going to church, restaurants, casinos, social gatherings since last June. We take precautions, have been vaccinated and took our first flight this year.

 

By reporting on COVID 24/7, a lot of people would be convinced to get back to normal there would have to be no more cases and deaths which will never happen. That is fine, I have accepted the risk, just don’t infringe on my freedoms and I won’t on yours.

[Tudy]

Think about this. If you are vaccinated for COVID, your chances of dying from norovirus are greater than your chances of getting COVID, never mind dying from it. 

 

People forget that we now have good treatment options for COVID.

[dodgestang]

15 minutes ago, Tudy said:

Think about this. If you are vaccinated for COVID, your chances of dying from norovirus are greater than your chances of getting COVID, never mind dying from it. 

 

People forget that we now have good treatment options for COVID.

 

They don't forget, they aren't told by the news sources they use and/or have their eyes and ears closed to prevent covid from entering through those orifices 😉

Edited June 10, 2021 by dodgestang

[A&L_Ont]

1 hour ago, jean87510 said:

I could be wrong but many of the vaccinated folks on here are worried about their trips getting cut short in case of an outbreak or a situation like the Princess which nowadays wiuld be extreme.  It would be helpful to know what plans the ship has with dealing with a positive case.  

That is what we are waiting to see.
 

Having to fly home to Canada we don’t want “special” treatment😉 because customs finds out we were on a ship with an outbreak. With due time we will find out protocols and it will make it much easier for us decide going forward for what we want to do. Thankfully we don’t have a final payment for almost 6 months so we have time to decide. 
 

We are booking a fully refundable AI trip to run concurrently with our March sailing. We can cancel it 7 days with no fee and airfare will be fully refundable. The news will cover a substantial outbreak on a ship, but would never know if there was one at a resort in Mexico.  Like I said, lots of time, but we want options.

[BecciBoo]

9 hours ago, Board_Shorts said:

I may be wrong but I see it as an extremely selfish thing to be doing.

Not many Unselfish human beings on the planet.  Human nature is to be entirely selfish.  When push comes to shove, it'll be "It's all about me" as usual.  My motivation for getting vxd was entirely selfish, I was worried about getting the virus and about it's affecting our cruise...then dang it I got it anyway.  Not worried, I too am vxd, don't care what the rest of the world does.

 

And those who aren't vxd could claim the same statement regarding vxd person.

Edited June 10, 2021 by BecciBoo

[mauraoel]

4 minutes ago, BecciBoo said:

Not many Unselfish human beings on the planet.  Human nature is to be entirely selfish.  When push comes to shove, it'll be "It's all about me" as usual.  My motivation for getting vxd was entirely selfish, I was worried about getting the virus and about it's affecting our cruise...then dang it I got it anyway.  Not worried, I too am vxd, don't care what the rest of the world does.

 

And those who aren't vxd could claim the same statement regarding vxd person.

I can agree with that last statement, seen a lot of it over the few days.  "Children shouldn't cruise since they cannot be vaccinated" being the most prominent.

[easyqueasy]

6 hours ago, Board_Shorts said:

 

Yes I did know all of that. "Unlikely" is a rather clever word don't you think? You've used it twice and also quoted the American CDC as saying it. "Unlikely" means that something is possible.

 

The air exchange every four minutes refers to the staterooms. There's no way an Oasis sized Theatre, Royal Promenade, or Main Dining Room could ever achieve this. They'd need fans the size of cars blowing in filtered air and venting stale air. The wind speed would be such that it would be unpleasant, let alone blowing everything away.

 

And yes, I did know that even vaccinated people can still get Covid, that's why I find it even more selfish for the un-vaccinated to even be considering a cruise at this time.

You can say it applies to the staterooms only, but Royal says otherwise. “This continual intake of fresh air replaces the air in any space, with a total air change up to 12 times an hour in staterooms, and about 15 changes an hour in large public spaces. Fan coil units in your stateroom and public spaces provide an extra layer of protection, continuously scrubbing the air of pathogens, using a high-grade MERV 13 filter that captures aerosols 1 to 3 microns in size with 90% efficacy — fine enough to filter cold and flu germs and coronavirus.” Add to Royal’s “Royal Caribbean® takes great pride in keeping our ships sparkling clean. Now, with guidance from our Healthy Sail Panel, we’re going further than ever before. Our new sanitization protocols use EPA-certified disinfectants and techniques like electrostatic fogging to clean frequently and consistently. Plus we’ve reduced the need to touch surfaces wherever possible” for your touching concerns. But it sounds like no matter what or how small of a chance, a chance is enough to worry you.

[BecciBoo]

44 minutes ago, hyerpraise said:

Absolutely.  

I will cruise anytime, anywhere with anyone, on any ship........LOL

[DiamondSuiteCruiser]

4 hours ago, jean87510 said:

Are there any protocols anywhere that state what a cruiseline proposes to do with a person who tests positive for covid on board? And what are the cruiselines plans if this does happen?  Im not talking about the first sailings of cruiselines like MSC or the Quantum.  I'm talking about upcoming sailings.  Until then, I think these endless speculations are just noise.  

 

I could be wrong but many of the vaccinated folks on here are worried about their trips getting cut short in case of an outbreak or a situation like the Princess which nowadays wiuld be extreme.  It would be helpful to know what plans the ship has with dealing with a positive case.  

https://www.royalcaribbean.com/the-healthy-sail-center

[jean87510]

32 minutes ago, DiamondSuiteCruiser said:

https://www.royalcaribbean.com/the-healthy-sail-center

thanks!  still dont understand why all the posts when its pretty clear.  

Edited June 10, 2021 by jean87510

[knight2096]

YES I would sail out of Florida and in a New York second! 

Edited June 10, 2021 by knight2096

[ryano]

2 hours ago, BecciBoo said:

I will cruise anytime, anywhere with anyone, on any ship........LOL

 

My sentiments exactly.  I would cruise right now, out of Florida, on a 0% vaccinated ship.  October 2017 was my last cruise.  Im sick of a previous hurricane and this pandemic ruining my favorite vacation.  I just want to go on a cruise. I got my jab.  Im not scared

Edited June 10, 2021 by ryano

[bouhunter]

11 hours ago, Board_Shorts said:

With cruise ships being the perfect environment for the rapid spread of airborne pathogens (viruses which stay in the air) and with un-vaccinated guests inevitably mixing with everyone onboard, but most importantly mixing with each other; THAT being the main issue - contagions will lead to medical emergencies, medical diverts, curtailed sailings, possible ship wide quarantines for the un-vaccinated, if not for everyone, and unfortunately of course most probably more deaths.

 

Passing in hallways for example, sharing the same pool/hot tub, sharing a dining table?? (Nope!) just walking along the Royal Promenade, which is an enclosed space, visiting the shops, touching anything which they then put back, sharing elevators (always use a knuckle for the buttons; a good tip given to me years ago.) But who knows?

 

Unless Fain's latest statement mentioning the "extra processes incurring extra costs, and extra restrictions," and presumably needing to pay vast amounts for 'Royal Caribbean Brand' onboard testing, daily hopefully? Chargeable to their SeaPass account of course."

 

With all that the un-vaccinated will need to adhere to, I can't see many bothering with a cruise this year and hopefully going somewhere else, or preferably staying home.

 

Vaccinated guests are not worried about catching the virus - we're immune. What we ARE worried about though, are the un-vaccinated who still decide to cruise, despite all the dangers, extra costs and as yet unknown procedures, and the likelyhood of at least a few medical diverts and quarantines happening in the cruise industry this year.

 

I may be wrong but I see it as an extremely selfish thing to be doing.

 

All views welcome.

Unless things take a turn for the worse, the virus is winding down.  Large numbers of people are ditching the masks and cases continue to decline.  It's silly to post so much doom and gloom at this point.  And sad you are so fearful.

Edited June 10, 2021 by bouhunter