molly361 Posted April 8, 2023 #201 Share Posted April 8, 2023 54 minutes ago, cruiseboy89130 said: Thanks! I guess they are still riding on the Icon hype....before they switch to Utopia... Not really interested in Utopia as I suspect the same low quality as Wonder - but think it might have influence on Anthem which we love.... Low quality? 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rare Thisguylikestocruise Posted April 8, 2023 #202 Share Posted April 8, 2023 1 hour ago, cruiseboy89130 said: Thanks! I guess they are still riding on the Icon hype....before they switch to Utopia... Not really interested in Utopia as I suspect the same low quality as Wonder - but think it might have influence on Anthem which we love.... Wonder definitely isn’t low quality! 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cruiseboy89130 Posted April 8, 2023 #203 Share Posted April 8, 2023 (edited) 1 hour ago, Billy Baltic said: Out of curiosity, what elements of Wonder do you consider low quality? Pools + Pooldeck, Flowrider, 70's dorm color scheme and other items.... Edited April 8, 2023 by cruiseboy89130 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jumping Cruiser Posted April 8, 2023 #204 Share Posted April 8, 2023 (edited) 2 hours ago, Ethanol95 said: They should release more info on Utopia very soon, given its now a year away. Icon is their pride and joy at the minute and I think still will be after the launch of Utopia. They have put so much effort into promoting Icon that I think any attempt to market Utopia will just get brushed under the carpet by many. I hope that their focus on Icon doesn’t harm the quality of Utopia either, as Oasis class are still incredible ships and will be for many years! As I mentioned on another thread, while I think it is unlikely that Utopia will go to Asia, I think that this would make more sense marketing wise as they don’t have a comparable product in Asia, whereas many US & Europe customers will still be attracted to Icon. Although, I’m far from an expert, and Royal will obviously send her wherever they can make the most $$$! Wherever they choose to send her, they had better start selling, as a ship launch without passengers wouldn’t be a good start! 😂 Edited April 8, 2023 by Jumping Cruiser Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rare twangster Posted April 9, 2023 #205 Share Posted April 9, 2023 (edited) I think Utopia was destined for China but they are rethinking that based on geopolitical factors. Royal knows if they send Utopia to Florida that guarantees a certain response. No matter when they announce such a deployment the market response it all but guaranteed. Consequently that is there fallback position. Meanwhile they can wait to see if geopolitics change. If a non US deployment was the plan there would be no reason not to announce that and commence taking bookings and using that much needed cash infusion. Icon is selling extremely well. If Utopia wasn't coming to the US why not announce it and get on with it? A Europe start would have minimal impact to Icon bookings. A Singapore deployment would have minimal impact to Icon bookings. They are waiting to see if there is any way to make China work. Beyond that anything is possible with Florida or Texas being the safety net. At the moment it's undecided. Or, they've decided and like Wonder they are scrambling to find a shipyard to modify her once they take delivery. Edited April 9, 2023 by twangster 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tatka Posted April 9, 2023 #206 Share Posted April 9, 2023 I’m still adjusting to this name. While it matches 100% in my language … it also very close to Sinking… Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billaraneta Posted April 9, 2023 #207 Share Posted April 9, 2023 Hello there Utopia of the Seas will sail in Asia by 2024? 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rare little britain Posted April 9, 2023 #208 Share Posted April 9, 2023 7 hours ago, cruiseboy89130 said: Pools + Pooldeck, Flowrider, 70's dorm color scheme and other items.... Definitely agree. I felt something was definitely lacking in Wonder, and she felt like a “cheaper” build. No magnificent stairwell artwork like on Symphony for starters. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Norwich Cruiser Posted April 9, 2023 #209 Share Posted April 9, 2023 20 minutes ago, little britain said: Definitely agree. I felt something was definitely lacking in Wonder, and she felt like a “cheaper” build. No magnificent stairwell artwork like on Symphony for starters. Happy Easter I agree also 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rare Ethanol95 Posted April 9, 2023 #210 Share Posted April 9, 2023 23 minutes ago, little britain said: Definitely agree. I felt something was definitely lacking in Wonder, and she felt like a “cheaper” build. No magnificent stairwell artwork like on Symphony for starters. That would have been nice to have had a 'grander' first experience of an O class ship. Wonder was my first and I can say i marvelled like a little kid in a candy store at everything she had to offer. Of course the only thing odd to me was the hanging dragon's in the lift atriums. Sometimes, depending on the angle, they looked like intestines with cones as noses at the end. 7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rare Ethanol95 Posted April 9, 2023 #211 Share Posted April 9, 2023 5 hours ago, twangster said: I think Utopia was destined for China but they are rethinking that based on geopolitical factors. Royal knows if they send Utopia to Florida that guarantees a certain response. No matter when they announce such a deployment the market response it all but guaranteed. Consequently that is there fallback position. Meanwhile they can wait to see if geopolitics change. If a non US deployment was the plan there would be no reason not to announce that and commence taking bookings and using that much needed cash infusion. Icon is selling extremely well. If Utopia wasn't coming to the US why not announce it and get on with it? A Europe start would have minimal impact to Icon bookings. A Singapore deployment would have minimal impact to Icon bookings. They are waiting to see if there is any way to make China work. Beyond that anything is possible with Florida or Texas being the safety net. At the moment it's undecided. Or, they've decided and like Wonder they are scrambling to find a shipyard to modify her once they take delivery. I'm thinking if it is indeed a Singapore or China deployment, they usually release these itineraries much closer to the sail date, and hence, will be in line with the deployment release culture for the region. Also I have a feeling, they are scrambling to rethink their strategy with Singapore at the moment because Anthem can't fight a mega DCL ship. Anthem seems like a step down from Spectrum so that's an issue. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rare twangster Posted April 9, 2023 #212 Share Posted April 9, 2023 2 hours ago, Ethanol95 said: I'm thinking if it is indeed a Singapore or China deployment, they usually release these itineraries much closer to the sail date, and hence, will be in line with the deployment release culture for the region. Also I have a feeling, they are scrambling to rethink their strategy with Singapore at the moment because Anthem can't fight a mega DCL ship. Anthem seems like a step down from Spectrum so that's an issue. Anthem doesn't need to fight a DCL ship. People who want a Disney experience will pay the 2 to 3 x factor for the Disney experience. No cruise ship in the world will stop someone who wants the Disney experience from booking DCL. DCL is specialty boutique cruise line operating in their own market. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DaniMSCRoyal_85 Posted April 9, 2023 #213 Share Posted April 9, 2023 5 hours ago, billaraneta said: Hello there Utopia of the Seas will sail in Asia by 2024? No. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rare John&LaLa Posted April 9, 2023 #214 Share Posted April 9, 2023 16 hours ago, Billy Baltic said: Out of curiosity, what elements of Wonder do you consider low quality? Yea, curious as well. If any are low quality, it's Harmony and her plastic, flapping panels in Solarium Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rare John&LaLa Posted April 9, 2023 #215 Share Posted April 9, 2023 15 hours ago, cruiseboy89130 said: Pools + Pooldeck, Flowrider, 70's dorm color scheme and other items.... Huh, love the pool deck with big screen, Lime and Coconut, Windjammer, kiddie pool by slides, etc.. 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rare Thisguylikestocruise Posted April 9, 2023 #216 Share Posted April 9, 2023 (edited) Don’t see what the difference is between Wonder and Symphony stairwell wall art. Both look high quality. symphony Wonder Wonder Wonder Edited April 9, 2023 by Thisguylikestocruise 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billaraneta Posted April 9, 2023 #217 Share Posted April 9, 2023 Hello why Utopia of the Seas will not sail in Asia? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jumping Cruiser Posted April 9, 2023 #218 Share Posted April 9, 2023 17 minutes ago, billaraneta said: Hello why Utopia of the Seas will not sail in Asia? Demand and geopolitical factors make it difficult for this region at the minute. It makes more sense for Royal to homeport Utopia elsewhere to maximise revenue. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DaniMSCRoyal_85 Posted April 11, 2023 #219 Share Posted April 11, 2023 (edited) The new rumor: https://www.instagram.com/p/Cq5un76oY6c/?igshid=YmMyMTA2M2Y= Edited April 11, 2023 by DaniMSCRoyal_85 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SilkySal Posted April 11, 2023 #220 Share Posted April 11, 2023 And the guessing game saga continues.🤔 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DaniMSCRoyal_85 Posted April 11, 2023 #221 Share Posted April 11, 2023 (edited) http://twitter.com/theRCLblog/status/1645826112663044096 Edited April 11, 2023 by DaniMSCRoyal_85 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rare Ethanol95 Posted April 11, 2023 #222 Share Posted April 11, 2023 2 hours ago, DaniMSCRoyal_85 said: The new rumor: https://www.instagram.com/p/Cq5un76oY6c/?igshid=YmMyMTA2M2Y= wowwee will this be a year of double mega homeporting for SG? haha i doubt, but i can dream. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NightOne Posted April 11, 2023 #223 Share Posted April 11, 2023 1 hour ago, DaniMSCRoyal_85 said: http://twitter.com/theRCLblog/status/1645826112663044096 Yes, I would like the Boxcar Willie Pancakes 🙂 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brevardcruiser Posted April 11, 2023 #224 Share Posted April 11, 2023 Maybe it goes to china but what ship replaces allure on short cruises from PC? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FlowBroTy Posted April 12, 2023 #225 Share Posted April 12, 2023 6 hours ago, brevardcruiser said: Maybe it goes to china but what ship replaces allure on short cruises from PC? That is the age old question. It would be odd for them to go back to any vessel smaller than Allure if she does well with the 3/4 night run like they are banking on her doing. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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