I thought Dogs weren't allowed?

[mugtech]

1 hour ago, cgncruiser said:

No joke:

 

today the "Service dog" that does not understand his role yet, was roaming on the long leash in the casino.

 

A woman accidentially tripped over the leash/dog and was rudely yelled at by the dog owner to care where she walks…..

It became a case for guest relation.

It was not yet clear whether the want-to-be-service-dog or the woman receives a Future Cruise Crédit voucher…..

Just one more reason to avoid the casino.

[Bloodgem]

17 hours ago, BillOh said:

Maybe stores leaving their doors unlocked overnight 1 day out of 7 will stop burglary the other 6 days.

 

Thank you for your comment BillOh. I will file it under 'f' for facetious.  

 

[luckyprincess]

The issue really is that some people need emotional support dogs. There is real scientific evidence that it can help people like our vets with PTSD. Also one of my clients has a white fluffball that loves her sweaters and alerts her to seizures. Another I know always has her nails painted and alerts to glucose changes. You don't get to dismiss a dog as a service animal because it's small or fluffy or white or wears clothes. The point is all those that are super huffy about this have no real recourse. There is no certification. Also the law in NJ does not allow anyone to ask anything other than if it is a service dog and what it is trained for, not sure about other states.

To those crying about allergies well, you are the one with the medical issue. Bring allergy medication or don't  fly/sail.  If you are afraid of dogs as an adult then here is your chance to get out of a phobia and embarrassing issue. If you just plain don't like dogs - well to be honest I don't trust those that don't like dogs lol. 

Edited December 17, 2018 by luckyprincess

[Milwaukee Eight]

Maybe someone should contact PETA regarding the second hand smoke the dog is getting. Can’t be healthy for the dog. 

[John&LaLa]

On 12/15/2018 at 6:10 PM, cgncruiser said:

Despite that this statement is utterly nonsense , here is an "Emerald & Suite Guest Service Dog" , Right now in Rhapsody casino. "Service dog" on the long leash, waiting for any guest to pet him…..as his "master" plays the bandits

 

 

 

 

 

Looks like non smoking side. How responsible of them. 😆

[John&LaLa]

On 12/16/2018 at 3:10 AM, Bloodgem said:

Maybe RC are approaching the issue of selfish dog owners, who brings their pet, claiming they are an "emotional support animal", wrong.

 

Perhaps RC should offer an annual dog friendly cruise. This would hopefully reduce the number of fake emotional support animal on other RC cruises. 

RC could provide extra services for the dogs, like a dog grooming service; dog sitting service for when the owners want to go on excursions.  

 

RC would have to charge extra for the cruise due to the ship having to be deep cleaned, following the cruise but this would still be cheaper than owners kennelling their pets.

 

Do they deep clean after the Lifestyles cruises?🤔

[John&LaLa]

23 hours ago, voyager70 said:

 

Unreal.  That dog owner would have gotten an earful from me.

 

 

I've seen many questionable dogs the last few years,  and I've never seen a guest confront the owner.  Never. 

[John&LaLa]

52 minutes ago, Milwaukee Eight said:

Maybe someone should contact PETA regarding the second hand smoke the dog is getting. Can’t be healthy for the dog. 

 

Smoke rises, dog really low. 😉

[voyager70]

5 minutes ago, John&LaLa said:

 

I've seen many questionable dogs the last few years,  and I've never seen a guest confront the owner.  Never. 

 

The incident I referred to a woman was rudely yelled at by questionable dog's owner for accidentally tripping over the dog's leash.  I would have been civil, but I would have definitely said something in return.

 

[John&LaLa]

1 minute ago, voyager70 said:

 

The incident I referred to a woman was rudely yelled at by questionable dog's owner for accidentally tripping over the dog's leash.  I would have been civil, but I would have definitely said something in return.

 

 

I guess that is a little different.

 

[PopeyeDaSailor]

13 hours ago, luckyprincess said:

The issue really is that some people need emotional support dogs. There is real scientific evidence that it can help people like our vets with PTSD. Also one of my clients has a white fluffball that loves her sweaters and alerts her to seizures. Another I know always has her nails painted and alerts to glucose changes. You don't get to dismiss a dog as a service animal because it's small or fluffy or white or wears clothes. The point is all those that are super huffy about this have no real recourse. There is no certification. Also the law in NJ does not allow anyone to ask anything other than if it is a service dog and what it is trained for, not sure about other states.

To those crying about allergies well, you are the one with the medical issue. Bring allergy medication or don't  fly/sail.  If you are afraid of dogs as an adult then here is your chance to get out of a phobia and embarrassing issue. If you just plain don't like dogs - well to be honest I don't trust those that don't like dogs lol. 

 

Nonsense.  No one here is saying SERVICE dogs that are used for LEGITIMATE medical reasons should be denied access.  But when you are pushing your dog around in a stroller, tying it up to slot machines that's ridiculous.  It's funny you are so quick to tell people not to sail if they are allergic to animals but how about flipping that script and telling the people that are in need of "emotional" support don't fly/sail? 

 

How did we as a race survive millions of years without bringing dogs everywhere? 

Edited December 18, 2018 by PopeyeDaSailor

[SaintTaris]

16 hours ago, luckyprincess said:

The issue really is that some people need emotional support dogs. There is real scientific evidence that it can help people like our vets with PTSD. Also one of my clients has a white fluffball that loves her sweaters and alerts her to seizures. Another I know always has her nails painted and alerts to glucose changes. You don't get to dismiss a dog as a service animal because it's small or fluffy or white or wears clothes. The point is all those that are super huffy about this have no real recourse. There is no certification. Also the law in NJ does not allow anyone to ask anything other than if it is a service dog and what it is trained for, not sure about other states.

To those crying about allergies well, you are the one with the medical issue. Bring allergy medication or don't  fly/sail.  If you are afraid of dogs as an adult then here is your chance to get out of a phobia and embarrassing issue. If you just plain don't like dogs - well to be honest I don't trust those that don't like dogs lol. 

You need your head examined. I don't trust people who personify pets. Keep fluffy to yourself.  A cruise is for people. I'm sure you can find a vacation centered around people wh enjoy kissing animals in the month. 

[John&LaLa]

2 hours ago, SaintTaris said:

You need your head examined. I don't trust people who personify pets. Keep fluffy to yourself.  A cruise is for people. I'm sure you can find a vacation centered around people wh enjoy kissing animals in the month. 

 

Add me to your list.  Bella is very much personified.  I won't, however bring her on a cruise.

[FireEMT978]

14 minutes ago, John&LaLa said:

 

Add me to your list.  Bella is very much personified.  I won't, however bring her on a cruise.

That Sir,

I respect you for.

[SaintTaris]

1 hour ago, FireEMT978 said:

That Sir,

I respect you for.

I concur. 

 

[Thorben-Hendrik]

19 hours ago, John&LaLa said:

 

Do they deep clean after the Lifestyles cruises?🤔

They just put the matresses from the playrooms -> back into the 3rd and 4th bunks....

[John&LaLa]

1 minute ago, Thorben-Hendrik said:

They just put the matresses from the playrooms -> back into the 3rd and 4th bunks....

 

Love it.

[HBE4]

 

They might be onto something.  Maybe start replacing JR with Popeye's?

 

https://www.businessinsider.com/popeyes-emotional-support-chicken-airport-2018-12

 

 

[Kingofcool1947]

On 10/18/2018 at 6:39 PM, Merion_Mom said:

 

Good owners are the ones who leave their pets at home.

And leave their kids at home too.

Edited December 18, 2018 by Kingofcool1947

[ownedbypets]

We just got off of Oasis and there were 2 dogs on board.  One was a service dog, she stayed right next to her owner, wore her vest and was not being pet by any passangers.  The other was a small yorkie who sat on her owners lap while riding around on a motorized scooter.  When she wasn't on the ladies lap she was in a stroller being pushed by another person.

[Merion_Mom]

8 hours ago, Kingofcool1947 said:

And leave their kids at home too.

No.

 

Just no.

 

And a big grinning emoticon cuts no ice.

[PopeyeDaSailor]

13 hours ago, Kingofcool1947 said:

And leave their kids at home too.

 

I know you were kidding, but I bet if you went back in time you'd find you were actually a kid once.

 

Now if you want to talk about parenting said kids once on board ... I'm right there with you. 

[SargassoPirate]

"If the service dog's behavior creates a fundamental alteration or a direct threat to safety, the dog may be denied boarding or removed from the ship along with the owner at the guest's expense. Examples include: growling, barking excessively, initiating unsolicited contact, biting other guests and/or crewmembers, failure to use designated relief areas, sitting on furniture, eating from the table, etc."

 

The above, from RCI's website, pretty much says it all about dog behavior on board.  A properly trained service dog would not exhibit those behaviors.....but "Fluffy the emotional support lap dog" is much more likely to.  If you see a dog's behavior that meets the above criteria whilst on board, report it to guest relations and include comments on your end of cruise evaluation. The cruise lines need to hear that we are not happy about people gaming the system so that they can bring Fluffy along to negatively affect our emotional stability.

 

 

[Ragoczy]

On 10/17/2018 at 7:03 PM, John Reid said:

Even certified service dogs are not allowed in chairs or in laps. On a leash on the floor or carried while walking. I made a suggestion once before and got negative feedback. I'll make it again. The ONLY way to stop this entitled charade is to make the reaction to it more of a problem than declining passage to an owner. Stand up in dining and LOUDLY protest. Refuse to be seated anywhere within eyesight of a pet. Get others and flood customer service with the same com[plaint. Schedule an appointment with the hotel director and write down the response for future reference. Remember, the ship may not be able to ask for certification, but passengers can. And there are those, and rightfully so, who feel it would embarrassing to an an actual service dog owner. Don't worry, they are easy to recognize. Not in strollers, not dressed up, not defecating in public places, not barking, not seen alone with different adults, and not being available to be pet. Protest. Be more of a pain to RCCI than they are.

 

The above is a prime example of the danger of being partially correct and incredibly ignorant at the same time.

 

"but passengers can" -- If you ever accost my wife over her service dog, I'll be in your face with a body cam and you'll find yourself being made an utter fool of with the result posted everywhere. It is not a handler's responsibility to justify themselves to you.

"not dressed up" -- There is neither law nor reason that service dogs can't be "dressed up" either with decorative vests or costumes for holidays. They might be medical equipment, but they're also part of the handler's family. An important part on a level you probably can't understand. It's the handler's decision whether some frippery will interfere with the dogs tasks or not, not some judgmental prat who knows nothing about the individual situation.

"not seen alone with different adults" - I hold my wife's service dog while she uses small restrooms, goes on ziplines, waterslides, or just when he needs to use the facilities and she'd rather rest in the room. It happens.

"not being available to be pet" - In general, correct. But people do ask. And some handlers, for whom the distraction is not a hardship, allow it, using the opportunity to teach the asker why it's not generally allowed and why they probably shouldn't ask.

So three of your little signs to use when deciding to confront someone make it likely you'll confront a legit handler and ruin their day. They have enough problems without dealing with your self-righteous crap. Most don't have the temperament or inclination to back you off as you deserve, they'll simply take the abuse and be on their way.

I won't. Back off.

[PopeyeDaSailor]

25 minutes ago, Ragoczy said:

 

The above is a prime example of the danger of being partially correct and incredibly ignorant at the same time.

 

"but passengers can" -- If you ever accost my wife over her service dog, I'll be in your face with a body cam and you'll find yourself being made an utter fool of with the result posted everywhere. It is not a handler's responsibility to justify themselves to you.

"not dressed up" -- There is neither law nor reason that service dogs can't be "dressed up" either with decorative vests or costumes for holidays. They might be medical equipment, but they're also part of the handler's family. An important part on a level you probably can't understand. It's the handler's decision whether some frippery will interfere with the dogs tasks or not, not some judgmental prat who knows nothing about the individual situation.

"not seen alone with different adults" - I hold my wife's service dog while she uses small restrooms, goes on ziplines, waterslides, or just when he needs to use the facilities and she'd rather rest in the room. It happens.

"not being available to be pet" - In general, correct. But people do ask. And some handlers, for whom the distraction is not a hardship, allow it, using the opportunity to teach the asker why it's not generally allowed and why they probably shouldn't ask.

So three of your little signs to use when deciding to confront someone make it likely you'll confront a legit handler and ruin their day. They have enough problems without dealing with your self-righteous crap. Most don't have the temperament or inclination to back you off as you deserve, they'll simply take the abuse and be on their way.

I won't. Back off.

 

Come on, you've seen people with little toy dogs that are clearly violating and abusing this.  And I would never say anything to a person with any dog unless that dog is violating my person space, safety or doing something they should not (think eating off table, peeing on deck, etc). 

 

The cruise line can EASILY address all these issues with these simple mandatory rules:

 

1.  Any person(s) boarding with a service dog will need a medial note from a doctor which explains the exact need of the animal.

2. The animal and passenger will have to register with the ship's doctor and the animal will be given a service vest (if one is not present) with a registration number so the ship's medical crew can easily look up in case of an emergency (common sense).

3. The animal at all times when in public areas MUST wear their service vest with the above registration number regardless of any "outfits" their owners want to dress them up in.

 

All of these rules can be dealt with way before sailing, so they shouldn't be a problem to handle. 

 

If the animal violates any of RCCL's policies (spelled out by SargassoPirate's above post) they and the passenger can/could be removed.

 

 

Edited December 19, 2018 by PopeyeDaSailor