Non-smoking cruise?

[sparks1093]

1 hour ago, navybankerteacher said:

 

After a few years there is no “...desire to smoke...”;  it is a difficult urge, an addiction - which only strong determination on the part of the individual can overcome.  

 

Most honest smokers acknowledge that they should quit - and that they will “someday”. It is just easier to keep at it.

Yep, it took a heart attack to get me to quit. Unfortunately it wasn't soon enough to avoid the lung cancer that came 10 years later.

[cruisemom42]

16 hours ago, Heidi13 said:

 

As an ardent non-smoker, in my opinion while not perfect, the current situation of designated areas is probably the best compromise for safety, customer service and crew welfare.

 

I agree -- are there really that many people that are bothered by the current, VERY limited smoking options on most ships?  

 

There are ships that do not allow any smoking inside and very limited places outside. Surely that is reasonable enough....!  (I am a never smoker, so no ulterior motive.)

[JMorris271]

20 hours ago, Heidi13 said:

While any cruise line could probably fill a non-smoking ship with passengers, the challenge would be finding officers and crew. Many of the crew work 6- 10 month contracts. With the number of ships being built, the crews have options, so highly unlikely any crew or officers that smoke would sign on. Those that did sign on, would most likely find place to smoke, which increases the fire risk.

 

As an ardent non-smoker, in my opinion while not perfect, the current situation of designated areas is probably the best compromise for safety, customer service and crew welfare.

Every hear of a dingy?

[lenquixote66]

If I was the POTUS smoking cigarettes would be banned .Anyone caught smoking would be subject to a fine of ten thousand dollars.

[navybankerteacher]

19 minutes ago, lenquixote66 said:

If I was the POTUS smoking cigarettes would be banned .Anyone caught smoking would be subject to a fine of ten thousand dollars.

 

This is an unlikely approach.  But certainly any responsible parent would try a watered-down approach with their children. Certainly cut allowance if any money was spent on tobacco, forbid smoking in house, etc.

[davekathy]

3 hours ago, lenquixote66 said:

If I was the POTUS smoking cigarettes would be banned .Anyone caught smoking would be subject to a fine of ten thousand dollars.

I'll vote for you. 

[Heidi13]

On 12/14/2018 at 9:14 PM, sloopsailor said:

 

There are even cruise lines - Disney for one - that do fine without the casino as well. Can't smoke in them if they don't have them. 

In addition to Disney, Viking have never had casinos on their Ocean ships

[lenquixote66]

My very first cruise was on a Cunard ship without a casino.They had top notch entertainers.Nobody was bored.

[Cruisin' Chick]

On 12/12/2018 at 8:32 PM, LHT28 said:

Didn't the Carnival ship do the same route on the west coast ?

 

No.  It was originally built as a non-smoking ship and sailed on Caribbean itineraries.  We were on the Paradise when it was pretty new and loved the experience.  It was so pleasant to be on a ship and not have to worry about any clouds of smoke wafting one's way.  No holes in the carpet from cigarette burns.  Everyone on board was so pleasant.

On the comment card, we put down to PLEASE send this ship to the west coast as so many there would appreciate a healthy type of cruise.  Unfortunately, Carnival never did this but abandoned the experiment pretty quickly.

I remember telling a TA about this ship and she didn't have a clue that there was a non-smoking ship.  After our cruise, when we were staying in the Keys for a  few days, we told some parents at the hotel pool about the cruise.  So maybe part of the problem was lack of marketing as I would imagine many parents would have booked the Paradise.

[LA_CA_GAL]

On 12/13/2018 at 8:25 AM, evandbob said:

 

Today, with so many businesses, restaurants, hospitals, smf hotels being 100% smoke free, the Paradise experiment is worth trying again.

When you are in a non smoking restaurant, hotel, movie, theater, hospital, sporting event, you cannot smoke for a couple of hours.
 

When you are on a cruise ship, this could last for days.

 

This topic is beyond ridiculous.  There will always be a place on a cruise ship for smokers.

 

 

[navybankerteacher]

9 hours ago, LA_CA_GAL said:

When you are in a non smoking restaurant, hotel, movie, theater, hospital, sporting event, you cannot smoke for a couple of hours.
 

When you are on a cruise ship, this could last for days.

 

This topic is beyond ridiculous.  There will always be a place on a cruise ship for smokers.

 

 

 

Agreed - as long as there is ANY significant number of smokers ( I’d be inclined to think that just 5% of the population would be seen as significant).

[cb at sea]

Carnival tried that...it didn't work.

Most ship's have very restrictive smoking policies nowadays.  You can avoid it pretty easily.  

[evandbob]

On 12/17/2018 at 10:44 PM, LA_CA_GAL said:

When you are in a non smoking restaurant, hotel, movie, theater, hospital, sporting event, you cannot smoke for a couple of hours.
 

When you are on a cruise ship, this could last for days.

 

This topic is beyond ridiculous.  There will always be a place on a cruise ship for smokers.

 

 

 

13 hours ago, cb at sea said:

Carnival tried that...it didn't work.

Most ship's have very restrictive smoking policies nowadays.  You can avoid it pretty easily.  

A stay at a hotel lasts longer than a few hours.  A non smoking hotel means the lobby, the hallways and my room will not reek of a previous smokers' exhalations.

 

I tried Carnival's Paradise twice in 2003, both on the same itinerary.  I realized that there were newer ships sailing elsewhere, so I gravitated to the better ones rather than remain with the older, smaller Paradise.  

 

Just in general:  Tobacco is the only legal product sold in America that can make you sick or kill you.

 

Yes, I am ranting as a reformed ex-smoker, stopped 30 years ago. {otherwise, I would not be here today to post this}

Edited December 19, 2018 by evandbob

[Texas Tillie]

32 minutes ago, evandbob said:

 

 

 

Just in general:  Tobacco is the only legal product sold in America that can make you sick or kill you.

 

 

 

Well, no, all alcohol and most foods can do the same thing. I'm rabid anti-tobacco, but outlandish statements like that don't help the cause!

[sparks1093]

32 minutes ago, Texas Tillie said:

 

Well, no, all alcohol and most foods can do the same thing. I'm rabid anti-tobacco, but outlandish statements like that don't help the cause!

Yep, overuse of anything can have deleterious affects including death.  

[evandbob]

2 hours ago, Texas Tillie said:

 

Well, no, all alcohol and most foods can do the same thing. I'm rabid anti-tobacco, but outlandish statements like that don't help the cause!

 

2 hours ago, sparks1093 said:

Yep, overuse of anything can have deleterious affects including death.  

I'm sorry, I left out an important phrase from my statement.  I should have included "when used as directed" so what I meant to type was " Tobacco is the only legal product sold in America that when used as directed can make you sick or kill you."

 

Thanks for making me aware of that omission, and I do apologize.

Edited December 19, 2018 by evandbob

[BDRebel]

Still not correct. I have never seen directions on a cup of coffee, which one can OD on.

Same with most energy drinks or diet supplements.

[LA_CA_GAL]

On 12/19/2018 at 9:27 AM, evandbob said:

 

A stay at a hotel lasts longer than a few hours.  A non smoking hotel means the lobby, the hallways and my room will not reek of a previous smokers' exhalations.

 

 

 

A stay at a hotel could last weeks or months.  But, unlike a cruise ship, you can walk out the door, and fire up a cigarette, cigar, pipe etc. any time you desire.

 

No such option to leave a cruise ship while at sea.

 

 

[pacruise804]

21 hours ago, evandbob said:

 

I'm sorry, I left out an important phrase from my statement.  I should have included "when used as directed" so what I meant to type was " Tobacco is the only legal product sold in America that when used as directed can make you sick or kill you."

 

Thanks for making me aware of that omission, and I do apologize.

 

I can still think of several exceptions (and am also fairly anti-smoking).  Several medications, legally sold, when used as a directed can make a person sick (and sometimes complications can kill).  Often the benefits outweigh the risk, but there is sometimes truth that "the cure is as bad as the cold."  For those with allergies and sensitivities, even seemingly harmless products (foods) can make someone sick or kill them if used as directed.

 

I will agree that nicotine is extremely addictive, tobacco products have many carcinogens and other nasties in them, and the limited benefit I can think of from its use does not outweigh its potential for harm.

[sparks1093]

33 minutes ago, pacruise804 said:

 

I can still think of several exceptions (and am also fairly anti-smoking).  Several medications, legally sold, when used as a directed can make a person sick (and sometimes complications can kill).  Often the benefits outweigh the risk, but there is sometimes truth that "the cure is as bad as the cold."  For those with allergies and sensitivities, even seemingly harmless products (foods) can make someone sick or kill them if used as directed.

 

I will agree that nicotine is extremely addictive, tobacco products have many carcinogens and other nasties in them, and the limited benefit I can think of from its use does not outweigh its potential for harm.

And the jury is still out on what long term affects marijuana, now legal in several jurisdictions, will have on the body. 

[TruckerDave]

If any of the mass market cruise lines thought it would be financially viable they would have done it (smoke free ship).  They are all in business to make money and if they thought that going smoke free would increase revenue and profits it would be done. 

[TruckerDave]

On 12/16/2018 at 11:21 AM, lenquixote66 said:

If I was the POTUS smoking cigarettes would be banned .Anyone caught smoking would be subject to a fine of ten thousand dollars.

 

You would not have the authority to do any such thing.  You are against smoking fine (I don't smoke or like it either), but this suggestion is just plain nonsense.  We (as a country) tried banning something a while ago....that whole alcohol thing....didn't work out so well. 

[LA_CA_GAL]

On 12/16/2018 at 11:21 AM, lenquixote66 said:

If I was the POTUS smoking cigarettes would be banned .Anyone caught smoking would be subject to a fine of ten thousand dollars.

That is one great idea!

 

Then he can ban illegal drugs, murder, bank robberies.

 

Don't why no one ever thought of that before.

[iuki]

On 12/12/2018 at 11:09 PM, Go-Bucks! said:

 

Carnival had their ship, the Paradise, as a non-smoking ship for awhile, but it changed back to allowing some smoking a number of years ago.  I sailed on it in 2003 when it was still non-smoking and it was great!  Especially the casino.  Not sure why they didn't keep it non-smoking, but I'm sure it was a financial decision.

If I remember correctly, it was discontinued because they couldn’t fill the ship.

[navybankerteacher]

On 12/19/2018 at 1:02 PM, evandbob said:

 

I'm sorry, I left out an important phrase from my statement.  I should have included "when used as directed" so what I meant to type was " Tobacco is the only legal product sold in America that when used as directed can make you sick or kill you."

 

Thanks for making me aware of that omission, and I do apologize.

 

I have not seen any “directions” on packs of cigarettes telling how to “use” them.

 

They do carry a message concerning the obvious health effects - which any intelligent, literate and  responsible person should understand means the best “use”  is to dispose of them without igniting or inhaling.