Will you have to take off your mask to get your picture taken for your cruise card?

[ducklite]

17 hours ago, chipmaster said:

put your contaminated ID back in your carrier and touch some other part of your body/luggage and then even after washing your hands viola you are infected!

 

We've gotten into the habit of carrying a mini hand sanitizer on the key ring and after using a credit card or license, we pour out sanitizer, use it liberally on our hands, the card, and the sanitizer bottle before putting them away.  If we've touched anything, we also use sanitizer before retrieving the card to begin with.  We were never "hand sanitizer" people before this. We just believed in washing hands frequently.  But the new reality is that we use a lot of hand sanitizer when we're (rarely) out of the house.  I expect that to continue for quite some time. 

[lenquixote66]

I have been using hand sanitizers for many years especially in gambling casinos.

[clo]

32 minutes ago, lenquixote66 said:

I have been using hand sanitizers for many years especially in gambling casinos.

Oh, now they're facing going out of business! Four people at a poker table, six IIRC at craps, six feet between slot machines. I can't imagine a cruise ship having a casino.

[lenquixote66]

4 minutes ago, clo said:

Oh, now they're facing going out of business! Four people at a poker table, six IIRC at craps, six feet between slot machines. I can't imagine a cruise ship having a casino.

Buffets and Casinos will be gone .They will likely also want to get rid of movie theaters on ships and theaters for the shows.

[ColeThornton]

1 minute ago, lenquixote66 said:

Buffets and Casinos will be gone .They will likely also want to get rid of movie theaters on ships and theaters for the shows.

 

 

Add in face masks and then one has to ask themselves why they would even want to cruise.  I highly doubt casinos will disappear, the lines make too much money off them and is one of their big sources of income.

[lenquixote66]

4 minutes ago, ColeThornton said:

 

 

Add in face masks and then one has to ask themselves why they would even want to cruise.  I highly doubt casinos will disappear, the lines make too much money off them and is one of their big sources of income.

Then the cruise lines will have to find a way to make their casinos safe as will land casinos.

[navybankerteacher]

19 hours ago, wowzz said:

Let's get back to basics.  

Virtually every country in the world now uses biometric technology, with no need for finger printing.  Why doesn't the US  ? 

Getting “back to basics” in the context of biometrics certainly involves fingerprints.  European airports see their value - as does virtually everyone who understands biometrics —- except, perhaps, for individuals who may have left their fingerprints someplace where they wish they hadn’t.

[clo]

3 hours ago, ColeThornton said:

I highly doubt casinos will disappear, the lines make too much money off them and is one of their big sources of income.

In their current form, yeah. If they're set up like Vegas is being legislated then I'd say no. We don't think Vegas will make it. No shows either. And the high end restaurants - a $1000 for dinner for two with wine - will leave.

[wowzz]

4 hours ago, navybankerteacher said:

Getting “back to basics” in the context of biometrics certainly involves fingerprints.  European airports see their value

Enlighten me - which European airports record finger prints?  It's going to be a very small list!

[zqvol]

By the time cruising restarts masks are not gong to be required.

[wowzz]

Just now, zqvol said:

By the time cruising restarts masks are not gong to be required.

Absolutely correct. 2023 or 2024?

[zqvol]

1 minute ago, wowzz said:

Absolutely correct. 2023 or 2024?

 

I'm thinking this time next year, but you will have to provide proof that you have been vaccinated.

[navybankerteacher]

12 minutes ago, wowzz said:

Enlighten me - which European airports record finger prints?  It's going to be a very small list!

Only because of their incompetence - I understand UK passports now must carry fingerprints- probably the surest, best tested and portable sort of ID - and certainly a key element in any concept of biometrics.

 

I know you do not like the idea of fingerprints being used, and for some strange reason you seem to think that fingerprints are not biometric — sorry about that,. I believe their use will come to be universal. 

 

Anyway, I am tired of discussing this matter with you. Goodbye.

[wowzz]

5 minutes ago, navybankerteacher said:

Only because of their incompetence - I understand UK passports now must carry fingerprints- probably the surest, best tested and portable sort of ID - and certainly a key element in any concept of biometrics.

 

I know you do not like the idea of fingerprints being used, and for some strange reason you seem to think that fingerprints are not biometric — sorry about that,. I believe their use will come to be universal. 

 

Anyway, I am tired of discussing this matter with you. Goodbye.

Sorry to disappoint you, but I renewed my UK passport 4 months ago. No fingerprints required. Renewal all done over the internet. 

When I return to the UK  from holiday,  I just go to the automated kiosks at the airport,  and am through  in 20 seconds. No different to entering most other countries in the world,   apart from the US.

 

[mom says]

On 5/15/2020 at 11:16 AM, wowzz said:

OK,  but why not just do a retinal scan, as does the rest of the world, and not bother with the fingerprints? 

I don't know why you refuse to understand that fingerprints are, in fact,  one form of biometrics. And retinal scans are rarely used, although iris scans and facial recognition are in increasing use. The most common form of biometrics used, the world over, is still fingerprints. This site has a chart that, while dated now, and incomplete, gives some idea of biometrics in use today at some points of entry:

 

https://www.flyertalk.com/forum/practical-travel-safety-security-issues/1662753-list-countries-airports-who-take-fingerprints-other-biometric-data.html

[clo]

1 hour ago, zqvol said:

 

I'm thinking this time next year, but you will have to provide proof that you have been vaccinated.

Here's a snippet from a little article I posted here or elsewhere:

"Epidemiologist George Rutherford from UCSF told ABC7 News Anchor Kristen Sze that he predicts it will be about two years, based on how long it will take to vaccinate the roughly 40 million people who live in California.

 

"If you set up sites where you can do 50,000 vaccinations a day, you're going to need 800 of those to happen. So it's a formidable task and it's going to take months to get it done. Maybe 18 months. Vaccines are almost in a year from now."

 

When I first read that it put the whole thing in perspective.

 

 

[chipmaster]

1 hour ago, zqvol said:

 

I'm thinking this time next year, but you will have to provide proof that you have been vaccinated.

 

Like a highly efficacy vaccine will be there, highly unlikely, vaccines have a less than 10% success rate so maybe out of the 100 there will be 5-10 that make it to trails and then it takes a long time to access efficacy and risk.   

 

Then as another said do the math of getting everyone vaccinated, LOL

 

 

Edited May 17, 2020 by chipmaster

[Flatbush Flyer]

2 hours ago, zqvol said:

By the time cruising restarts masks are not gong to be required.

With some ships already repositioning for multi-directional deployment in regions aligned with original itineraries, my money's on FDRs prognostication that NCLH will have a rolling restart of all 3 cruise lines starting in the 3rd and 4th quarters of this year.

 

That said, I expect that those NCLH cruise ships chosen for the selective restart will follow the lead of most airlines (at least through the end of the year) to require masks in any location where social distancing cannot be maintained.

 

As I consider how our upcoming month long Athens-Athens-Dubai November cruise on Oceania Nautica might look/act in the "new normal," I foresee many of the same hygiene/food safety modifications we experienced this past February on that same ship: paper menus, zero self service food/drink (even more so than the usual "no touching the food" in the Terrace Café), constant vigilance about hand sanitizing, symptom screening in every port, etc.

 

Added "notably different" items may include moving the entertainment "venue" from the Nautica showroom to live broadcast on a CCTV station; multiples of gatherings like Captain's welcome, O Club event, etc (all with masks) to reduce attendance at any one time; larger transports for lowered numbers on tours; and (I hope) the same pre-boarding Covid-19  quick-testing being used by Emirates Air; no tables for 6/8 in any dining venue and expanded meal hours to "thin the herd."

Though I don't love the idea (if ports I wanted are included), I can see increased sea days substituted for "no go" ports.

Then, there will be reservations for limited seating at afternoon tea and expanded happy-hours with occupancy limits imposed.

Fortunately, O ships have great space ratios. So, they already have a head start on much of this.

 

 

[clo]

8 minutes ago, Flatbush Flyer said:

I foresee many of the same hygiene/food safety modifications

Thanks a million for this. I agree with everything you've written. I think the changes are going to be significant; well, a lot of changes, I'm not sure "significant" is the right word. Anything that changes can be accepted because it's for a good cause. And because it's what's going to be required. I happen to love change but tons of folks don't. Hopefully those "tons" will embrace the changes. Thanks again. Cath

[ldubs]

4 hours ago, clo said:

Here's a snippet from a little article I posted here or elsewhere:
 

"If you set up sites where you can do 50,000 vaccinations a day, you're going to need 800 of those to happen. So it's a formidable task and it's going to take months to get it done. Maybe 18 months. Vaccines are almost in a year from now."

 

 

 

 

Do the math.  It is a nonsense quote.  

[taglovestocruise]

Things will quickly go back to normal, not the new normal. Take a look at Wisconsin and SO Cal beaches. Places are packed with no covid concern. Yesterday at our local grocery store most were not wearing masks, about half the checkers were also mask free. Casinos and Buffetts will be going strong faster than most would think.  Visited my mother in law last week in Las Vegas.  Casinos are still closed but the large gas stations with lots of slot machines are filled with gamblers. 

[clo]

15 hours ago, ldubs said:

 

 

Do the math.  It is a nonsense quote.  

50,000 x 800 = 40,000,000 --- the population of CA.

[clo]

22 minutes ago, taglovestocruise said:

Casinos are still closed but the large gas stations with lots of slot machines are filled with gamblers. 

Are you sure about that? This is controlled by the Gaming Control Board so not local to Clark County. And what you describe sure isn't open here in Reno. The machines are there and they're lit up but that's it. 

[mom says]

23 minutes ago, clo said:

50,000 x 800 = 40,000,000 --- the population of CA.

But look at the rest of that equation. First of all, assuming that you could have 40 million doses of the vaccine ready for use all at the same time for just one state is, to out it mildly, highly unlikely. Plus have an adequate supply if syringes, swabs, injectors and refrigeration at every place.

 

Then you have to be able to adequately staff those 800 places. Now. I'm math challenged, but according to my calculations,  for a 10 hour day, you would need an average of 105 people at each place who ONLY did the injections, at about one patient per minute. That's not counting support personnel. So you need well in excess if 83,000 trained personnel to do this. Where are you going to find them? As the PP stated, it's nonsense. Any vaccination program is going to take months.

[clo]

3 minutes ago, mom says said:

But look at the rest of that equation. First of all, assuming that you could have 40 million doses of the vaccine ready for use all at the same time for just one state is, to out it mildly, highly unlikely. Plus have an adequate supply if syringes, swabs, injectors and refrigeration at every place.

 

Then you have to be able to adequately staff those 800 places. Now. I'm math challenged, but according to my calculations,  for a 10 hour day, you would need an average of 105 people at each place who ONLY did the injections, at about one patient per minute. That's not counting support personnel. So you need well in excess if 83,000 trained personnel to do this. Where are you going to find them? As the PP stated, it's nonsense. Any vaccination program is going to take months.

I think that was his point. It's going to take a long, long time.