If 'Social Distancing' last till 2021 will we still have a Cruise Industry.

[jimbo5544]

8 minutes ago, Stallion said:

Your own source under Hospitalizations shows a steady increase over the last 6 days

 

https://covid19.ncdhhs.gov/dashboard/hospitalizations

It does have an up tick.  Lera talk about the rest of the numbers on the site. 

[seaman11]

18 hours ago, firefly333 said:

Bookings for cruises are up. Fact.

I agree. I dont see a big problem 3 - 5 months from now. The ceos have said the want to retain the same experiences we had before.  I dont even wear a mask everywhere now.  So i dont think it will be mandatory the whole time.  Maybe worse case board. Disembarking and shows.  

[MsTabbyKats]

Instead of the "perpetual debate" that always ends way off topic...why don't we all agree to take a "wait and see" attitude.

Nobody here has the inside scoop on what Carnival is planning. 

 

Re-read OPs question...and answer it.  Will it be worthwhile for sailings if there is social distancing?  Take into account the cost/per passenger vs the revenue/per passenger.  Less passengers mean higher costs.  And will people be willing to spend more for a watered-down experience?

 

From a personal point...would YOU spend twice as much if you needed to wear a mask and not take excursions (or whatever you enjoy)?  I wouldn't.  

[seaman11]

6 minutes ago, MsTabbyKats said:

Instead of the "perpetual debate" that always ends way off topic...why don't we all agree to take a "wait and see" attitude.

Nobody here has the inside scoop on what Carnival is planning. 

 

Re-read OPs question...and answer it.  Will it be worthwhile for sailings if there is social distancing?  Take into account the cost/per passenger vs the revenue/per passenger.  Less passengers mean higher costs.  And will people be willing to spend more for a watered-down experience?

 

From a personal point...would YOU spend twice as much if you needed to wear a mask and not take excursions (or whatever you enjoy)?  I wouldn't.  

As a casino player i got 2 cruises for just tge port fees and taxes after 200 obc.  So to me it will still be worth it.  But i agree its up to the individual. 

[Host Carolyn]

4 hours ago, skridge said:

My wife works for a hospital in NC and hospitalization has steadily increases and is still increasing.

 

But testing is up a lot too. At the daily press briefing they stress how many more tests are being done.....and then there's the Tyson plant with 555 cases

[Bases5]

Florida today posted the largest single day rise in cases (1,203) in over 6 weeks. (Fact)

 Now it depends on what news agency you listen to as to what that means.  
There are 10 times the amount of testing compared to 6 week ago.  
  Make your own conclusion. 
The one number I pay no attention to is the total. That number will only go up. 
Our cruise is still sailing in Aug.  I’m leaning on canceling even thought I have worked in the Publix sector through out the pandemic and have not really feared being out.  
 I really wish I knew what guide line the cruise lines will follow. It would help us make a discussion before I fork out final payment 

[PhillyFan33579]

1 hour ago, seaman11 said:

I agree. I dont see a big problem 3 - 5 months from now. The ceos have said the want to retain the same experiences we had before.  I dont even wear a mask everywhere now.  So i dont think it will be mandatory the whole time.  Maybe worse case board. Disembarking and shows.  

Interesting that you don’t see a big problem in 3-5 months while today Japanese officials were talking about the increasing likelihood of cancelling the Olympics in Summer 2021. 
 

Meanwhile in Florida where I live cases continue to increase at a record pace, the same state Carnival is hoping to cruise from in August. 

[seaman11]

1 minute ago, PhillyFan33579 said:

Interesting that you don’t see a big problem in 3-5 months while today Japanese officials were talking about the increasing likelihood of cancelling the Olympics in Summer 2021. 
 

Meanwhile in Florida where I live cases continue to increase at a record pace, the same state Carnival is hoping to cruise from in August. 

cases initially rise for a  bit once these states reopen . this why im staying home a few weeks after my states phase 2 of opening.  but we are well passed the curve in the southern states.  as for olympics, we are talking hundreds of thousands of ppl gathering. not a half full ship.  of course there could always be a set back . but 3-5 month from now, no i dont see a problem in florida, except maybe the florida man news we get daily. 

[seaman11]

14 minutes ago, Bases5 said:

Florida today posted the largest single day rise in cases (1,203) in over 6 weeks. (Fact)

 Now it depends on what news agency you listen to as to what that means.  
There are 10 times the amount of testing compared to 6 week ago.  
  Make your own conclusion. 
The one number I pay no attention to is the total. That number will only go up. 
Our cruise is still sailing in Aug.  I’m leaning on canceling even thought I have worked in the Publix sector through out the pandemic and have not really feared being out.  
 I really wish I knew what guide line the cruise lines will follow. It would help us make a discussion before I fork out final payment 

id wait, numbers spike initially as states reopen and bobos dont play it safe.  i have seen gatherings and parties around where i live in VA already. 

[HLGW60]

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Edited May 22, 2020 by HLGW60

[beerman2]

11 minutes ago, seaman11 said:

id wait, numbers spike initially as states reopen and bobos dont play it safe.  i have seen gatherings and parties around where i live in VA already. 

And yet while this was all going on you drove to a casino that was closed and complained you should have been warned.

 

This was in the early stages. C'Mon Man!

[outdoors27]

Well fingers are crossed here and my family and I are hoping to be on that August 2nd on the Horizon. Masks, social distancing, I don't really care a week on the ship is better than a week at home. I've had maybe 6 to 7 full days off since March 11, since things started to lock down in Mass. As an essential worker I'm ready for a vaca. Our Panorama cruise was canceled on June 27th so i could care less if we float around at sea for 6 days on the ship or actually dock in a port. Have plenty of sick time to burn if forced  to quarantine upon our return ( it would be a bonus vacation). 

Edited May 22, 2020 by outdoors27
Tyoo

[Stallion]

Texas just posted today (a) its largest death count since the beginning of the Pandemic and (b) its second highest day of new cases

 

https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/usa/texas/

Edited May 22, 2020 by Stallion

[skridge]

38 minutes ago, Host Carolyn said:

 

But testing is up a lot too. At the daily press briefing they stress how many more tests are being done.....and then there's the Tyson plant with 555 cases

Probably some similarities between the Tyson plant and a cruise ship.  The governors changed us to a very modified phase 2.  It is kind of ridiculous considering we did not hit many of the benchmarks he set out in his plan.  I guess he got some pretty big pressure from his big donors.  I hope it ends up being the right call.  I would love to get back to the gym.

[bitemyfly]

Florida uptick also coincides with an additional 50k tests .. giant dump of tests.. it’s general rate of positive tests is 1.66 % 

We will see in another two weeks as some areas in Florida are a week into a phased approach . 
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[Shipof6Fools]

Logic dictates that once everyone leaves quarantine (their homes), that cases are going to go up.  As more and more people interact with each other I think increased cases are inevitable. But staying locked down is not a viable option. The weeks we have been locked down has already caused untold damage to our economy and our lives.

[Joe817]

2 hours ago, Host Carolyn said:

 

But testing is up a lot too. At the daily press briefing they stress how many more tests are being done.....and then there's the Tyson plant with 555 cases

The Tyson plant for you(which is bad unto itself as it's a food processing plant), and us here in Tarrant County(Fort Worth to be exact, where the Federal Detention Hospital Facility is) with 435 cases of the virus alone, skews the graph extremely, that does not really accurately reflect the true numbers. Testing is up yes. And today our Governor announced another 77 testing facilities are being opened up in Texas by CVS pharmacy.  Many more testing sites. That will surely make the numbers jump. But by that action, we WILL get a more accurate count on exactly what is going on. I just wish I could get tested....for peace of mind if nothing else. But I do not meet the minimum criteria. 

[seaman11]

2 hours ago, beerman2 said:

And yet while this was all going on you drove to a casino that was closed and complained you should have been warned.

 

This was in the early stages. C'Mon Man!

Because we were lied to in the beginning about how serious it was.  Now we know more.  

[lucymorgan]

9 hours ago, chengkp75 said:

Considering they are currently packed with Filipino crew who cannot disembark to their home country, I really don't think that is the major consideration for why they are there.

I agree it wouldn't be the major consideration. 

 

However I know at least one ship only has the essential staff on board for operating the ship and looking after the crew as the cruise line transferred non essential staff from different countries between ships weeks ago and then sailed to various countries in Asia to get them off and home.  I suppose another reason for the ships to be there is so that they can reengage non essential crew and switch out crew whose contracts have ended when things open up - where ever they open up for cruising first. 

 

Another reason could be to conserve resources - no point burning all that fuel to go somewhere when nowhere is open and no-one knows what happens next.  😟  But you would know far more than me about that!

 

Could it also be related to which location is best/open for refuelling/restocking?

Edited May 22, 2020 by lucymorgan

[lottiegreen56]

17 hours ago, chengkp75 said:

Airlines are not overcoming this problem, any more than most businesses.  Sure a store says "stay 6 feet apart", but how often do you see people crowding?  I just flew last weekend from Texas to Maine.  First flight, a small commuter jet had about 10 people on it, so keeping distance was no problem.  Second flight was 737 or 757, and they didn't sell center seats, so you had some distance, but the person in front/back were less than 2 feet away.  Third flight was an Embraer regional jet, and had 44 of 49 seats full.  So, social distancing depends on demand for the flight.  Further, each flight had an announcement that face coverings were required on the plane, and they would give out masks as required, yet several people on each flight did not have or use face coverings of any type, they never mentioned to the crew that they had a medical condition that precluded a mask, nor did the crew even approach them regarding masks.

 

the maskless folks who weren't hassled by the airline were probably air marshals, my hubby works gov't adjacent and in DC a ton and a lot of the fed gov't agencies, esp law enforcement, military, legal etc have still left it optional for their employees and most are maskless he says. 

 

I'm interested in how casinos will do it, that will be a good indicator of what cruising would look like since it is entertainment/lots have hotels. So far a lot seem to be requiring masks. 

[Saint Greg]

1 hour ago, lottiegreen56 said:

 

I'm interested in how casinos will do it, that will be a good indicator of what cruising would look like since it is entertainment/lots have hotels. So far a lot seem to be requiring masks. 

The one that I’ve seen...mandatory temperature checks for all. Mandatory masks for employees.  Optional masks for guests. Hand sanitizer stations at entrances kiosks. Every other slot machine turned off. Every other table game chair removed. No shows. Bars and restaurants closed. 25% hotel occupancy.

[chengkp75]

5 hours ago, lucymorgan said:

I agree it wouldn't be the major consideration. 

 

However I know at least one ship only has the essential staff on board for operating the ship and looking after the crew as the cruise line transferred non essential staff from different countries between ships weeks ago and then sailed to various countries in Asia to get them off and home.  I suppose another reason for the ships to be there is so that they can reengage non essential crew and switch out crew whose contracts have ended when things open up - where ever they open up for cruising first. 

 

Another reason could be to conserve resources - no point burning all that fuel to go somewhere when nowhere is open and no-one knows what happens next.  😟  But you would know far more than me about that!

 

Could it also be related to which location is best/open for refuelling/restocking?

I believe that most of the ships that have disembarked crew down to minimum staffing are not the ones in Manila Bay, but are in other areas away from the crew's home countries.  Of course, when the crew are finally allowed to disembark in the Philippines, the ships will likely stay there, so that when cruising restarts they can be used to  bring crew back to other ships and back to traditional cruising areas.

 

Fuel in the far east is currently so much more expensive than in the US, so that isn't a consideration.  Given the stories of hardships in the Philippines with food supply chain issues, I don't see countries like these being able to provide supplies to large numbers of ships that are out of the ordinary trading routes.

[skridge]

8 hours ago, seaman11 said:

Because we were lied to in the beginning about how serious it was.  Now we know more.  

Who lied about what.  94,661 deaths in 3 months is not serious?  

[shipbound2]

Hopefully all this crap the CDC said the cruielines have to follow will be gone and we can get back to having a good time in 2021. Besides by then there should be a reliable vaccine.

Edited May 22, 2020 by shipbound2

[jimbo5544]

10 hours ago, Stallion said:

Texas just posted today (a) its largest death count since the beginning of the Pandemic and (b) its second highest day of new cases

 

https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/usa/texas/

The charts in the link you posted do not support what you are saying.  Look at the charts