LGW59 Posted October 3, 2021 #226 Share Posted October 3, 2021 2 minutes ago, AndyCapn said: Proceeds to write 400 more words on a subject ak1004 has nothing to add to. And after “now I’m really done “. It’s like the gift that keeps on giving. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LGW59 Posted October 3, 2021 #227 Share Posted October 3, 2021 13 minutes ago, ak1004 said: ak1004 is not returning because ak1004 has nothing to add to the subject. That said, ak1004 wants to remind all responders what the original post was about (as usual on cruisecritic, the last 8 pages have nothing to do with the original post). What is Always Included (AI)? Is AI a good value? How AI prices compare to Cruise Only (CO) prices? Can you book cabins with CO prices? Is Celebrity a good line? How Celebrity compare to Oceania, Crystal, Princess, Carnival or Air Canada? How to find a good TA? Can a good TA get you CO prices for a cabin you want? How other cruise lines advertise and how does it compare to Celebrity advertising? Why advertising in North America sucks? Who has a bigger d**k - a Wall Street insider, a lawyer for a large international law firm or an employee of the largest real estate company in the world? Who killed JFK? The original post had nothing to do with any of those questions/issues. My only goal was to show that in some cases, for certain sailings and certain categories, Celebrity advertised prices are different from the actual prices. Clarification: Advertised prices = prices you see in the cruise summary, below the slogan "Always included" (which gibes an impression that all shown prices always include those 3 perks). Actual prices: prices you see during the booking process when you want to book AI. I showed a specific example with screenshots where advertised prices are different from the actual prices. This specific example is a fact, not an opinion. I believe this is false and misleading advertising. Some people believe it's not. It's pretty simple. Has nothing to do with any of the issues/questions listed above. On a related note, I would like to congratulate Celebrity for building such a loyal customer base of real believers and fanboys/fangirls who will say anything to defend their favorite cruise line, no matter what this line does. I said that I work for a large international law firm, never said I was a lawyer. False assumption , fact. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zitsky Posted October 4, 2021 #228 Share Posted October 4, 2021 (edited) @ak1004 we are not all fan boys. Some of us have traveled on several cruise lines. I have enjoyed this thread but you don't seem to have made many friends, and in fact, you seem to have veered into ah territory with your personal attacks. Edited October 4, 2021 by zitsky 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
canderson Posted October 4, 2021 #229 Share Posted October 4, 2021 (edited) 11 hours ago, bikerunner said: Some people just cannot see both sides. I agree it’s very clear for me. If I just read the headlines of every article, advertisement etc I would have a different view of things and then agree it’s fake. So with this headline we all should have bought this car then No research ooo it’s the best @bikerunner I really don't understand your point. The Yugo WAS in a class of its own. It's just not clear whether that class was within the general category of automotive or home appliance. Both a Yugo and a washing machine are comprised of bits of fairly lightweight metal and plastic. One would expect the former to transport you from A to B. Not so much the washing machine as a home appliance, which one not only HOPES, but generally EXPECTS to remain in a stationary position - and not leak on the floor. 😄 Edited October 4, 2021 by canderson Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
canderson Posted October 4, 2021 #230 Share Posted October 4, 2021 (edited) duplicate Anyone else keep showing logged in, typing a reply, then discovering it won't save because you're really logged out??? Edited October 4, 2021 by canderson duplicate 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Denny01 Posted October 4, 2021 #231 Share Posted October 4, 2021 (edited) 2 hours ago, canderson said: duplicate Anyone else keep showing logged in, typing a reply, then discovering it won't save because you're really logged out??? I thought maybe it was my iPad but it looks as if I’m logged in but when I post it never is added and it just hangs up. i just Hate not being able to post here, it’s just so much fun. edit: we’ll, it worked this time! And after reading the last missive from ‘you know who’ I think I’ll just stop here fora while. den Edited October 4, 2021 by Denny01 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rare mom says Posted October 4, 2021 #232 Share Posted October 4, 2021 I think the problem is that the OP is only able to see in black and white. Maybe someone could donate a monitor or tablet that shows color. Or at least includes shades of gray. Or maybe teach him the enlarge function so he could see the pesky asterisks and fine print. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
canderson Posted October 4, 2021 #233 Share Posted October 4, 2021 Is it false advertising when the web site still shows you as logged in, but it has actually logged you out? @Denny01 No, it's not just you. I never know when this system is going to log me out. Sometimes it doesn't do it for an entire day, and sometimes it does it half a dozen times a day. It's gotten to where I copy any long replies to the clipboard before hitting "Submit", just in case. Nothing wrong with your iPad. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jagoffee Posted October 4, 2021 #234 Share Posted October 4, 2021 8 hours ago, the penguins said: It doesn't. Book direct and you have 2 choices; 1) a specific cabin with AI 2) a guaranteed cabin with no AI. Celebrity say these are the only to choices available. Several contributors on this and other threads say they have agents through which they can book a specific cabin without AI. When challenged not one of those contributors has been able to give one example on any Celebrity cruise where this is possible. Also no travel agent that I or any of my friends can find advertises such a deal because if such deals were available they would be promoted heavily. At the risk of going into your rabbit hole, this statement is not correct. “ Book direct and you have 2 choices; 1) a specific cabin with AI 2) a guaranteed cabin with no AI.” The guaranteed cabin with no A1 is usually not an option when booking. I am not sure why you believe this is true. Even if a guaranteed cabin with no AI/Simply Sail/cruise only is available on a small number of cruises it will not be available for all categories on that cruise. it would be more correct to just say that if you book direct you have two choices, 1) a specific cabin with A1 2) there may be an opportunity on select cruises/categories to book a cruise only fare. ( not as common as you are suggesting. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
canderson Posted October 4, 2021 #235 Share Posted October 4, 2021 Aw, c'mon, jagoffee, we were doing Yugos! 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Denny01 Posted October 4, 2021 #236 Share Posted October 4, 2021 I think my head just blew up…… I think I’ll go back to my Roll Call where we think 4 or 5 posts is kind of overdoing talking about laundry. den 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oville Posted October 4, 2021 #237 Share Posted October 4, 2021 OP, Unfortunately you are like a broken record that just keeps repeating. It started a few years ago when you dissed Celebrity for Oceania and on and on it goes. We sailed Oceania once and never again, to each their own. If you like dancing to “Tea For Two” fine. That song is something my mother sang to me as a child. Since you said goodbye to Celebrity 3 years ago why are you back. Your comparison of Honda to Mercedes is off putting. 5 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the penguins Posted October 4, 2021 #238 Share Posted October 4, 2021 3 hours ago, jagoffee said: At the risk of going into your rabbit hole, this statement is not correct. “ Book direct and you have 2 choices; 1) a specific cabin with AI 2) a guaranteed cabin with no AI.” The guaranteed cabin with no A1 is usually not an option when booking. I am not sure why you believe this is true. Even if a guaranteed cabin with no AI/Simply Sail/cruise only is available on a small number of cruises it will not be available for all categories on that cruise. it would be more correct to just say that if you book direct you have two choices, 1) a specific cabin with A1 2) there may be an opportunity on select cruises/categories to book a cruise only fare. ( not as common as you are suggesting. You are totally correct - sorry I over simplified it. Celebrity also agree with you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ex-Airbalancer Posted October 4, 2021 #239 Share Posted October 4, 2021 7 hours ago, Oville said: OP, Unfortunately you are like a broken record that just keeps repeating. It started a few years ago when you dissed Celebrity for Oceania and on and on it goes. We sailed Oceania once and never again, to each their own. If you like dancing to “Tea For Two” fine. That song is something my mother sang to me as a child. Since you said goodbye to Celebrity 3 years ago why are you back. Your comparison of Honda to Mercedes is off putting. I thought they may play songs from this list , from 60 years ago 😂 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Billboard_Year-End_Hot_100_singles_of_1961 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zitsky Posted October 4, 2021 #240 Share Posted October 4, 2021 I couldn't add a "like" to posts and I thought the thread was locked. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrCruzdoggie Posted October 4, 2021 #241 Share Posted October 4, 2021 On 10/1/2021 at 9:41 AM, ak1004 said: Celebrity new slogan is "Always included - drinks, Wi-Fi, tips. But this is not really correct, is it? For many cabin categories, the advertised fare is for cruise only. Quit being a ***** 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TeeRick Posted October 4, 2021 #242 Share Posted October 4, 2021 21 hours ago, Spif Barwunkel said: You say G, I say O, GO Dartmouth. Spif are you a Dartmouth alum? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RichYak Posted October 4, 2021 #243 Share Posted October 4, 2021 9 hours ago, jagoffee said: 1) a specific cabin with A1 Wait, I never got any steak sauce when booking direct. That's false advertising by X! 🤣 1 8 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spif Barwunkel Posted October 4, 2021 #244 Share Posted October 4, 2021 (edited) 27 minutes ago, TeeRick said: Spif are you a Dartmouth alum? I am not, TR, but I like the school color. What color is Dartmouth Green? The color dartmouth green with hexadecimal color code #00703c is a dark shade of green-cyan. In the RGB color model #00703c is comprised of 0% red, 43.92% green and 23.53% blue. In the HSL color space #00703c has a hue of 152° (degrees), 100% saturation and 22% lightness. For the skeptics out there, rest assured these varying percentages of colors and hues are "Always Included". Edited October 4, 2021 by Spif Barwunkel 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TeeRick Posted October 4, 2021 #245 Share Posted October 4, 2021 57 minutes ago, Spif Barwunkel said: I am not, TR, but I like the school color. What color is Dartmouth Green? The color dartmouth green with hexadecimal color code #00703c is a dark shade of green-cyan. In the RGB color model #00703c is comprised of 0% red, 43.92% green and 23.53% blue. In the HSL color space #00703c has a hue of 152° (degrees), 100% saturation and 22% lightness. For the skeptics out there, rest assured these varying percentages of colors and hues are "Always Included". I actually am an alum of Dartmouth and thanks for the lesson on Big Green! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Iamcruzin Posted October 4, 2021 #246 Share Posted October 4, 2021 To me this is just a reinvented version of: 123 Go Good, Better and Best Pick your Perk Did I miss any? Always included just means, always included at this price. 2 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oville Posted October 4, 2021 #247 Share Posted October 4, 2021 4 hours ago, Airbalancer said: I thought they may play songs from this list , from 60 years ago 😂 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Billboard_Year-End_Hot_100_singles_of_1961 You’re off a decade.😉 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mayleeman Posted October 4, 2021 #248 Share Posted October 4, 2021 2 hours ago, Iamcruzin said: To me this is just a reinvented version of: 123 Go Good, Better and Best Pick your Perk Did I miss any? Always included just means, always included at this price. Don't forget A Journey Like No Other 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rob-Bob Posted October 4, 2021 #249 Share Posted October 4, 2021 On 10/2/2021 at 7:28 PM, ak1004 said: If this is not a worst case of false and misleading advertising, then I don't know what false advertising is. How about NCL advertising "free excursions". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
weregoingcruising Posted October 4, 2021 #250 Share Posted October 4, 2021 On 10/1/2021 at 9:31 AM, ak1004 said: I found many cruises where only GTY is available. Just one example - https://www.celebritycruises.com/booking-cruise/selectRoom/stateroomQuantity?pID=IN10M289&sDT=2022-11-18&sCD=IN&sCT=CO But this is not the point. I have no problem with two fares - as long as it's clearly advertised. Report them to the fare police. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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