If You Are Scared To Cruise, Don't Cruise.

[zalusky]

16 minutes ago, hazence said:

 

Why do we go to lawyers, doctors, specialists who have studied for years to be “experts?” Because we are not omniscient...so we depend on others who have specific expertise that we need. If my dermatologist says that spot is just a freckle, of our attorney says to sign the contract...we are paying them for specific expertise. 

In January and February, Dr Fauci and the CDC were telling America we were at low risk of the pandemic. They were the experts advising Trump.  When Trump  blocked Chinese flights, one of the reasons many called it racist...was because of the “expert” advice that there was no big problem.

 

Cruise ships sailed on that “expert“  advice. Just as we rely on our doctors, our lawyers, every administration must rely on the CDC and the experts at the beginning of a crisis. Now after there is REAL data, and differences appear in the expert advice...it might be time for that second or third opinion. But at the beginning, what those top experts said in January and February was the guidance most of us were ready to trust.
 

 

 

The thing is even today they are not putting emphasis on testing and many places are hiding testing results.

[Mapleleafforever]

5 minutes ago, zalusky said:

The thing is even today they are not putting emphasis on testing and many places are hiding testing results.

The real data doesn't lie. With increased testing of course positive tests will increase. Most will be asympomatic. The fact is that the overwhemlingly vast majority of all hospitalizations and deaths related to Covid are all in the elderly and those with comorbidities. Say what you will about Trump he most likely understands this and wants (needs) to reopen the economy for good reason. 

 

I said it before and it's never been truer than right now. The fallout from this pandemic will be political and economical, not medical. 

[ALWAYS CRUZIN]

There is no magic pill to lose weight. Never was and never will be. Every one of them indicates diet and exercise is required. You can do that without any dumb pill. At one point I was 265 pounds 5' 10". bending over was a problem. One day at my shop I decided that was it. Everyday at noon there was an exercise program on the TV on the beach. I listened to that while doing my exercises. I duck walked one mile every day round and round the shop. I started doing sit ups with my feet under the desk sittin on the chair sideways so I could bend back all the way. I started with only being able to do 3 of them. At the end of the years I was doing 200 and looked great and felt great and weighed 170. Since then I now weigh 165 never gained another pound. I worked hard to lose it. So many including my wife starts off great and then tapers down and then stops. You must continue till you get to what you want for weight. Nothing magic about it. Yes, watching what your intake of food is is very important. It does not take luck or a pill, it takes persistence and nothing more.

[zekekelso]

Just thinking out loud here.... I don't how Covid-19 cases are recorded by zip code. Does it go by the home address of the person who has the disease? Or by the address of the facility where they test...

[hazence]

53 minutes ago, zekekelso said:

Just thinking out loud here.... I don't how Covid-19 cases are recorded by zip code. Does it go by the home address of the person who has the disease? Or by the address of the facility where they test...

Home address in my state.

 

By the way...this may be a bit of good news for Cruise Industry. CDC seems to have changed its mind again...

 

For those of you still wiping down groceries and other packages amid the ongoing coronaviruspandemic, breathe a sigh of relief: The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) now says the novel virus “does not spread easily” from "from touching surfaces or objects" -- but experts warn that doesn’t mean it’s no longer necessary to take "practical and realistic" precautions in stopping the spread of COVID-19.

Though it’s not clear exactly when, the federal health agency appears to have recently changed its guidelines from early March that initially said it “may be possible” to spread the virus from contaminated surfaces. The CDC now includes "surfaces or objects" under a section that details ways in which the coronavirus does not readily transmit.

[HBE4]

56 minutes ago, zekekelso said:

Just thinking out loud here.... I don't how Covid-19 cases are recorded by zip code. Does it go by the home address of the person who has the disease? Or by the address of the facility where they test...

 

Excellent point. 

 

There is a certain "magic" zip code that i keep hearing about with 0 cases.  However, many resident's  are part timers (at least half, i believe).  If someone gets sick, I wonder if it is recorded under their primary residence zip code. 

 

That could explain a lot. 

Edited May 20, 2020 by HBE4

[hazence]

24 minutes ago, HBE4 said:

 

Excellent point. 

 

There is a certain "magic" zip code that i keep hearing about with 0 cases.  However, many resident's  are part timers (at least half, i believe).  If someone gets sick, I wonder if it is recorded under their primary residence zip code. 

 

That could explain a lot. 

Hello again  😊. Have you ever lived in a small community where...if you stub your toe in the morning...people call all afternoon asking the status of your pedicure?  

 

Look on the SC site....or believe what you like. More people died in some NY nursing homes then in all of S.C. 

 

https://www.scdhec.gov/infectious-diseases/viruses/coronavirus-disease-2019-covid-19/sc-cases-county-zip-code-covid-19

[Mapleleafforever]

12 minutes ago, hazence said:

Hello again  😊. Have you ever lived in a small community where...if you stub your toe in the morning...people call all afternoon asking the status of your pedicure?  

 

Look on the SC site....or believe what you like. More people died in some NY nursing homes then in all of S.C. 

 

https://www.scdhec.gov/infectious-diseases/viruses/coronavirus-disease-2019-covid-19/sc-cases-county-zip-code-covid-19

That's a really well put together website. Worth pointing out is the recovery rate of 85% and the hospitalization rate of 81% not needing to be admitted. And these are only based on the tests that have been done. Since the majority of people are asymptomatic and no one knows the exact number of people who have been infected these rates will most definitely be much higher. 

 

The other stat worth pointing out is the age demographics for death. 87.5% of deaths are over the age of 61 and only 1% under the age of 40. 

 

I do believe that in New York the age demographics are pretty much the same but the number of cases are way more. 

[Milwaukee Eight]

25 minutes ago, hazence said:

 

Look on the SC site....or believe what you like. More people died in some NY nursing homes then in all of S.C. 

 

https://www.scdhec.gov/infectious-diseases/viruses/coronavirus-disease-2019-covid-19/sc-cases-county-zip-code-covid-19

These are great numbers but still need to ask again how many cruise ships sail out of South Carolina?

[hazence]

3 minutes ago, Mapleleafforever said:

That's a really well put together website. Worth pointing out is the recovery rate of 85% and the hospitalization rate of 81% not needing to be admitted. And these are only based on the tests that have been done. Since the majority of people are asymptomatic and no one knows the exact number of people who have been infected these rates will most definitely be much higher. 

 

The other stat worth pointing out is the age demographics for death. 87.5% of deaths are over the age of 61 and only 1% under the age of 40. 

 

I do believe that in New York the age demographics are pretty much the same but the number of cases are way more. 

It is a great website and has been very reassuring. I check it daily. The number of COVID hospitalizations statewide has never been very high....compared to occupied beds statewide. 

 

 

[hazence]

2 minutes ago, Milwaukee Eight said:

These are great numbers but still need to ask again how many cruise ships sail out of South Carolina?

I have no idea. A few out of Charleston....

 

Maybe they should. 😎

[Mapleleafforever]

4 minutes ago, hazence said:

It is a great website and has been very reassuring. I check it daily. The number of COVID hospitalizations statewide has never been very high....compared to occupied beds statewide. 

 

 

Fun fact, Sweden never hit above 60% of occupied beds, and they never locked down. 

[time4u2go]

4 minutes ago, Mapleleafforever said:

Fun fact, Sweden never hit above 60% of occupied beds, and they never locked down. 

Interestingly, they have had one of the highest mortality rates in the world.

[Biker19]

5 minutes ago, time4u2go said:

Interestingly, they have had one of the highest mortality rates in the world.

It's all relative:

 

[Computer Nerd]

2 hours ago, ALWAYS CRUZIN said:

It does not take luck or a pill, it takes persistence and nothing more.

But you also have to be healthy enough to be able to exercise that hard. I have arthritis on one knee that prevents me from running and even makes walking, especially long distance, difficult. It doesn't matter how persistent I am if my knee just can't handle the exertion.

[time4u2go]

4 minutes ago, Biker19 said:

It's all relative:

 

No doubt.  When you exclude the tiny countries of San Marino and Andorra, Sweden has the sixth highest mortality rate.

[Computer Nerd]

13 minutes ago, time4u2go said:

Interestingly, they have had one of the highest mortality rates in the world.

The are in 8th place based on deaths per 1M and we are 12th so not a great difference. They didn't destroy their economy and millions of live economically speaking and we did. There is a good chance they are well on the way to herd immunity as well. If it were in my power, I would have taken the US the same route that Sweden went. Maybe slightly more pain in the beginning but much better in the long run.

[Computer Nerd]

4 minutes ago, time4u2go said:

No doubt.  When you exclude the tiny countries of San Marino and Andorra, Sweden has the sixth highest mortality rate.

And we're 10th excluding those same countries.

[time4u2go]

3 minutes ago, Computer Nerd said:

And we're 10th excluding those same countries.

Yep.

[HBE4]

25 minutes ago, Mapleleafforever said:

Fun fact, Sweden never hit above 60% of occupied beds, and they never locked down. 

 

Another fun fact is number of deaths in Sweden exceed those of its Nordic neighborhoods Finland, Norway and Denmark combined. All 3 countries were in lockdown. 

 

More Sweden fun facts

https://www.france24.com/en/20200517-sweden-s-covid-19-strategy-has-caused-an-amplification-of-the-epidemic

[Mapleleafforever]

12 minutes ago, HBE4 said:

 

Another fun fact is number of deaths in Sweden exceed those of its Nordic neighborhoods Finland, Norway and Denmark combined. All 3 countries were in lockdown. 

 

More Sweden fun facts

https://www.france24.com/en/20200517-sweden-s-covid-19-strategy-has-caused-an-amplification-of-the-epidemic

So far yes. Sweden is playing the long game. Will have to revisit these stats in a few years. Don't forget, Sweden did have social distancing in place, they just didn't lock everything down. 

[hazence]

“The population is Sweden remains supportive of the way the Public Health Agency has handled the pandemic.  

A survey carried out for Sweden's Civil Contingencies Agency, found that 77 percent of people surveyed out between May 7 and May 10, said they had high confidence in the agency, up from 65 percent at the start of the crisis in March.

The same survey found that that the population was more worried about the pandemic's impact on unemployment, the economy and welfare than it was about the health consequences.

A clear majority, 64 percent, felt the national strategy was "well balanced" between safeguarding public health and protecting the economy. “

 

 

[mek]

28 minutes ago, Computer Nerd said:

The are in 8th place based on deaths per 1M and we are 12th so not a great difference. They didn't destroy their economy and millions of live economically speaking and we did. There is a good chance they are well on the way to herd immunity as well. If it were in my power, I would have taken the US the same route that Sweden went. Maybe slightly more pain in the beginning but much better in the long run.

I agree with the herd immunity, but it will take some time to see if they have reached that.  Protect those with the highest risk and let everyone else go on with their lives.  Unfortunately, we have become such an adverse resistant society that we must be protected at all costs.  

[time4u2go]

32 minutes ago, HBE4 said:

 

Another fun fact is number of deaths in Sweden exceed those of its Nordic neighborhoods Finland, Norway and Denmark combined. All 3 countries were in lockdown. 

 

More Sweden fun facts

https://www.france24.com/en/20200517-sweden-s-covid-19-strategy-has-caused-an-amplification-of-the-epidemic

Good point.  I didn't realize that.

Edited May 20, 2020 by time4u2go

[zalusky]

1 hour ago, Computer Nerd said:

But you also have to be healthy enough to be able to exercise that hard. I have arthritis on one knee that prevents me from running and even makes walking, especially long distance, difficult. It doesn't matter how persistent I am if my knee just can't handle the exertion.

 

Out of curiosity is swimming easier?