Later Embarkations; no boarding day lunch, cabins ready, Seapass activated at muster station + other ideas

[Ocean Boy]

4 hours ago, cruisegirl1 said:

   

We can speculate for months. None of us really knows what will happen when and if sailing resumes.

 

m

Exactly.

[John&LaLa]

1 hour ago, taglovestocruise said:

Check out Youtube for Orange County California beaches today April 25. Stay at home order still in effect, wearing a mask still mandated. social distancing nearly a law. What happened today.. beaches packed, nearly 75000 on the beaches in Orange County, no masks and no social distance.  People are fed up and already doing everything they used to.  Three of the city parks in SO Cal have been filled with sand to keep people out.. What Happened.. the bikers moved in and rearranged the sand into obstacle courses.  Cruising will be just the same, Covid 19 will be no more than getting the flu or Noro virus.  Covid 19 world wide deaths at 200,000, the flu last year 650,000.

 

Beaches here practically empty

[John&LaLa]

22 minutes ago, Ocean Boy said:

San Juan departures may be later but you can still board around 11AM.

 

Not right now 😉

And we don't know what the future holds

[Ocean Boy]

4 hours ago, VK3DQ said:

 

And if we have ships home ported with crews recruited from that home port this would also be of great value

 

 

When is the last time you had an American room steward? Dining room waiter? Bar tender? I don't foresee ships sailing from the U.S. doing much local recruiting of crew.

[John&LaLa]

10 minutes ago, Ocean Boy said:

No lunch except for an extra charge? I don't think so.

 

Wasn't one scenario not boarding until after lunch. Prior to CK and Pinnacle status, we never boarded until well past lunch. 

[Ocean Boy]

1 minute ago, John&LaLa said:

 

Wasn't one scenario not boarding until after lunch. Prior to CK and Pinnacle status, we never boarded until well past lunch. 

Well I board before lunch. Maybe if I cruised as often as you I would not feel the need to start my vacation as soon as possible. But I need to make the most of my limited time. And l enjoy lunch on the first day.

[Ocean Boy]

4 hours ago, VK3DQ said:

Slow the whole process down ... have each guest escorted to their cabin by a steward just like it was done in the old days .. I'd pay for a slower more civilized process

 

regards

John

 

4 hours ago, VK3DQ said:

And no food or drink served until AFTER the ship sails ... thats how things used to be done before Jeans and Trainers were invented

 

 

Regards

John

It sounds like you long for "the old days". I find neither idea the slightest bit appealing.

[datolim]

7 hours ago, chengkp75 said:

 

Classification societies, or class societies, or simply "class" in maritime parlance are surveyors who act as insurance underwriters, and they inspect ships for the things listed in the linked article, ranging from the construction of the vessel, it's current structural condition, it's safety equipment, the condition of all machinery, how the company does it's business (the ISM or International Safety Management Code), and a few other things.  A "certificate of class" stating that the ship meets the class society's rules for ships, must be obtained before a "certificate of registry" (think of your car or home title) from the flag state can be obtained, and before the ship will be allowed to purchase hull insurance or enter into a P&I (protection and indemnity) insurance club that covers claims for damages to third parties.  All class societies rules will follow SOLAS and other international conventions (MARPOL, STCW, ISM, ISPS) at the minimum.

I don't understand how relevant this is.

This is the same as the annual checkup and licencing for my apartment elevators.

But the elevators can still breakdown three times a day and trap people in the elevator.

[Ocean Boy]

1 hour ago, broberts said:

 

COVID-19 is more deadly than influenza. This is partly due to the fact that it is highly contagious resulting in overwhelmed medical systems. But also because of the damage it does in humans.

And then there are those humans who get infected, clear the virus, and never knew that they were even infected just as what happens with most of the microbes that bombard us daily. Some people are ravaged by these invasions others not so much.

[Ocean Boy]

33 minutes ago, John&LaLa said:

 

Beaches here practically empty

You most likely have much less chance of getting infected outside on the beach in fresh air than inside a building, bus, subway, etc.

[Sunshine3601]

I read an article today the CEO of Delta considering the need for an immunity passport before you can board their planes.  From what I read this is already being done in Chile and italy and spain are considering this option as well as others.

 

Enforcing checking time is definitely way to stagger people

I always avoid windjammer lunch on that day due to the crowds so maybe opening up mdr as well as other restaurants is a great option.  If mdr open then everyone can figure out their dining times/table assignment.

Maybe have them disinfect spray everyone's luggage.

Limit number of people in hot tubs. ??

Maybe keep bathroom doors and other doors open at all times to keep them "touchless"

Was a solution for crowds at bars /lounges figured out yet?  That one I am stumped on.

[time4u2go]

4 minutes ago, Sunshine3601 said:

I read an article today the CEO of Delta considering the need for an immunity passport before you can board their planes.  From what I read this is already being done in Chile and italy and spain are considering this option as well as others.

 

Enforcing checking time is definitely way to stagger people

I always avoid windjammer lunch on that day due to the crowds so maybe opening up mdr as well as other restaurants is a great option.  If mdr open then everyone can figure out their dining times/table assignment.

Maybe have them disinfect spray everyone's luggage.

Limit number of people in hot tubs. ??

Maybe keep bathroom doors and other doors open at all times to keep them "touchless"

Was a solution for crowds at bars /lounges figured out yet?  That one I am stumped on.

How does an immunity passport work? How can anyone be guaranteed of immunity?

[gatour]

22 minutes ago, datolim said:

I don't understand how relevant this is.

This is the same as the annual checkup and licencing for my apartment elevators.

But the elevators can still breakdown three times a day and trap people in the elevator.

Think if you own a car.  You need to buy the license plate for your car at initial purchase and renew it every year or perhaps every two years (in Florida you have an option).  When you show up at the DMV to due the initial registration (often dealers take care of this for you) or renew you have to show you have car insurance.  If you don't show this proof, you can't get the license plate or renewal sticker.  Sure you can still drive your car, but not legally.  The police can issue citations/tickets etc, and god forbid if you are in accident someone can sue you and you would have no car insurance for help.  They could go for everything you own.

 

[Sunshine3601]

4 minutes ago, time4u2go said:

How does an immunity passport work? How can anyone be guaranteed of immunity?

As far as I heard there is no proof at this time that you are immune if you had the virus.   So I dont know how it would work.  But delta and others are talking about it.

[Ocean Boy]

27 minutes ago, time4u2go said:

How does an immunity passport work? How can anyone be guaranteed of immunity?

You can't. At the present time we don't know if having had the virus and recovered renders immunity. We don't know if having antibodies make you immune. We don't know what level of antibody makes you immune. And there is no guarentee that any vaccine, when it exists, will give you immunity. 

[BigHouseFootball]

8 minutes ago, Ocean Boy said:

And there is no guarentee that any vaccine, when it exists, will give you immunity. 

Well then it wouldn't be a vaccine, now would it? 😂

[Tree_skier]

2 hours ago, taglovestocruise said:

Only place, almost, overrun was NY, they must be doing something very very wrong. 

Hospitals in OKC closed down for lack of patients

 

 

[Ocean Boy]

Just now, BigHouseFootball said:

Well then it wouldn't be a vaccine, now would it? 😂

I can't tell you how many patients I have who have had the Hepatitis B vaccine and not responded to it. That doesn't make it any less of a vaccine. 

[Ocean Boy]

1 hour ago, Sunshine3601 said:

As far as I heard there is no proof at this time that you are immune if you had the virus.   So I dont know how it would work.  But delta and others are talking about it.

So since there is no vaccine I guess the only people who could fly would be those who have had the virus and recovered since they are the only people who could possibly have immunity. And Delta thinks it has financial problems now... go ahead with the passport plan....🙄

[ONECRUISER]

12 hours ago, Newleno said:

Last Royal cruise we took in Feb, our keys were at the room.  You got to have food on board the ship, so I dunno about that

30yrs ago keys were always in Royal Cabins, some ships have returned to that. To OP dont see late boarding, too many passengers, though can see set having set staggered times which I'll Hate. Usually first threw the doors myself. Buffet wont end though might go back to only serving which was also how was decades ago. Then for Dinner Royal even had table cloths, Waiters and Menus in WindJammer. WJ was little more Formal in 80's, even had Tea Time back then... Newly reopened States now using disposable cups and Menus in Rest/Bars 

[HBE4]

3 hours ago, taglovestocruise said:

Only place, almost, overrun was NY, they must be doing something very very wrong. 

 

Yeah, they listen to the mayor who told them there was nothing to be afraid of, ride the subways, go to the movies, visit the theater, live life as if there was nothing going on.

 

Meanwhile, in Cali, many companies were ordering their employees to work from home before the first stay-at-home orders went into effect in SF.

 

Cali got it right......don't screw it up.

[ONECRUISER]

3 hours ago, Ocean Boy said:

When is the last time you had an American room steward? Dining room waiter? Bar tender? I don't foresee ships sailing from the U.S. doing much local recruiting of crew.

Agree, not going happen

[chengkp75]

8 hours ago, datolim said:

I don't understand how relevant this is.

This is the same as the annual checkup and licencing for my apartment elevators.

But the elevators can still breakdown three times a day and trap people in the elevator.

If the class surveyor comes on for an ISM audit, and finds that the ship never holds a passenger muster drill, which is required by SOLAS, an underpinning of the ISM certificate, they would pull the ISM certificate, along with the certificate of class, and the ship would not be allowed to sail from that point onward.

[DISFANS3]

Good info...

[LXA350]

14 hours ago, cruisegirl1 said:

Many passengers have either early flights or a very long drive home. I’ve got about eight hours. I need to get off early, get through customs, and get on the road. Especially, in the winter season when I don’t have as much daylight for driving. 
 

We know many traveling friends, especially on the three night cruises who will sail almost every weekend. They need to get off the ship early Monday morning so that they can be to work on time.

 

The few times that we’ve had no place to go after our cruise, or maybe just an hour drive to visit family, we linger longer.
 

m

 

The procedures should be adjusted that work out best for the majority of the travelers and cruises don't only depart ou of Florida, Baltimore or New York where a large number of cruisers are locals. Nothing speaks against the option to offer early debarkation, however the whole process should be extend it to make it of less of a rush for all the ones that do have the time to take a relaxed breakfast and are able to leave the ship by 09:00 or even 11:00 with cabins to be cleared by 10:00. This will also reduce further crowding and will also let most move around more freely instead of gathering in those departure lounge setup which is so anoying.

Edited April 26, 2020 by LXA350