What happens if ships go out, and people get sick?

[harkinmr]

22 hours ago, lenquixote66 said:

It is very difficult not to get paranoid during a pandemic.When the country begins to open up this weekend My feeling is that a lot of people will not practice social distancing and/or wear masks which may cause the virus to resurface in its original form.I have not been out of my house since March 12 except for 5 minute walks on sunny and not windy days and have no desire to go anywhere.

Lots of states started opening a few weeks ago and social distancing and wearing masks IS being disregarded by large numbers of people, so your feelings are well justified.  And any social distancing or other mitigation measures on cruise ships will work about as well, not because the cruise lines do not have good intentions but because so many cruisers will not comply.    

[Iamcruzin]

4 minutes ago, harkinmr said:

 

I guess I just don't understand comments like this.  Does anyone really believe that even with shorter duration cruises that any infections that occur on board with symptoms showing after disembarkation will not be traced back to the cruise??  It's not going to matter how short the cruise is and it will be an absolute disaster for the cruise lines.  They've got one chance to get it right, so they better!

They could have got virus on the plane ride down or the plane ride back. Unless they are sick on the cruise there is no way to trace it to the cruise. My son was on a Cruise in February and a few days after his return he was sick for 2 weeks. How does he know if he got sick on the plane or the cruise.

[harkinmr]

6 minutes ago, Iamcruzin said:

They could have got virus on the plane ride down or the plane ride back. Unless they are sick on the cruise there is no way to trace it to the cruise. My son was on a Cruise in February and a few days after his return he was sick for 2 weeks. How does he know if he got sick on the plane or the cruise.

Doesn't matter.  It will still be blamed on the ship by the media and those in power.  Especially if there are scores of others (passengers AND crew) that are infected and get sick.   I would hope that no one would support the cruise line trying to skirt responsibility just by sailing shorter cruises?  

[twangster]

1 hour ago, RKHOOKER said:

 

The major issue the cruise companies are facing is not the customers who are willing to pay to cruise, but, the safety of crew & staff on the ships.  How do they get 1000 crew from over 10 different countries back on their ships & guarantee none of them have the virus.  Don’t think we’ll ever see a cruise out of Florida with 100% crew & staff American citizens.

 

They won't crew them with Americans, just guests will be.   Americans are too lazy and entitled to take those jobs, that would never happen. 

 

Crews don't need to be Americans.  If 100% of guests are American no governor is going to deny a ship entry. 

 

To launch 2 ships out of Florida they could scrape together enough crew.  Not today, next week or next month but soon.  Many airlines are picking back up in June.  By late August or September there will be enough flights to facilitate enough crew movements to get it done for a few ships, not the fleet.  

 

If ships are half full with fewer guests on board they won't need 100% of a normal crew.  They don't need to open every bar normal hours.  They won't need the same number of cabin attendants.  Fewer MDR servers, fewer cooks in the galley.

 

When cruising resumes it won't be exactly like it was.  They've already stated that.  Fain used restaurants on land as an example.  Restaurants at home won't be the same when they reopen, neither will cruises.  

[Iamcruzin]

1 hour ago, twangster said:

 

They won't crew them with Americans, just guests will be.   Americans are too lazy and entitled to take those jobs, that would never happen. 

 

 

  Americans have better opportunities working in the US and don't need to work as slaves for arrogant  demanding American tourists. 

Edited May 22, 2020 by Iamcruzin

[Mikew0805]

8 hours ago, ONECRUISER said:

Casinos on land are opening, Masks not required but slots have dividers and Tables have max 3 players spread out. When Cruises resume there with be CV tests on board for those that show symptoms and followup if ship has confirmed case 

Seminole Hard Rock in Tampa opened tonight... Masks are required for guests and employees.

[A&L_Ont]

6 hours ago, Milwaukee Eight said:

80+% are Asymptomatic and have no signs of infection. These are the people to worry about. 

Agreed. This is the best mask explanation I’ve seen so far. 

 

Edited May 22, 2020 by A&L_Ont

[Milwaukee Eight]

1 minute ago, A&L_Ont said:

Agreed. They best mask explanation I’ve seen so far is this. 

 

I’ve been wearing my mask indoors.  I have a few custom made ones. I have a handful on N95 but haven’t used them. I haven’t pee’d on anyone or on myself in a while. 😇

[lenquixote66]

17 minutes ago, A&L_Ont said:

Agreed. This is the best mask explanation I’ve seen so far. 

 

This is great .It should be on every TV station 

[SeaHunt]

2 hours ago, Iamcruzin said:

They could have got virus on the plane ride down or the plane ride back. 

 

Especially if you have an idiot like this on your plane:

 

A Michigan airport barred an out-of-town visitor from boarding a flight to return home last week after learning that the passenger had recently tested positive for the novel coronavirus.

 

The Capital Region International Airport in Lansing was alerted by the Ingham County Health Department on May 15 that a person with COVID-19 was possibly planning to board a flight and ignore health orders to quarantine, the Detroit Free Press reported.

 

Ingham County Health Officer Linda Vail said that she obtained a cease-and-desist order to block the passenger from boarding the flight, and even went to the airport herself to make sure the infected person went home to quarantine.

 

“We can’t have people hopping on planes that are known positive with COVID-19," Vail told the outlet. "We just can’t."

 

https://www.yahoo.com/entertainment/visitor-michigan-blocked-boarding-plane-182632022.html

 

[ONECRUISER]

59 minutes ago, SeaHunt said:

 

Especially if you have an idiot like this on your plane:

 

A Michigan airport barred an out-of-town visitor from boarding a flight to return home last week after learning that the passenger had recently tested positive for the novel coronavirus.

 

The Capital Region International Airport in Lansing was alerted by the Ingham County Health Department on May 15 that a person with COVID-19 was possibly planning to board a flight and ignore health orders to quarantine, the Detroit Free Press reported.

 

Ingham County Health Officer Linda Vail said that she obtained a cease-and-desist order to block the passenger from boarding the flight, and even went to the airport herself to make sure the infected person went home to quarantine.

 

“We can’t have people hopping on planes that are known positive with COVID-19," Vail told the outlet. "We just can’t."

 

https://www.yahoo.com/entertainment/visitor-michigan-blocked-boarding-plane-182632022.html

 

Yeah, saw that the other day. My Airport. Too bad no way to hold him. Traveled here, tested found out CV+ told to Quarantine not to travel and decided was going home at any cost. At least know my County after finding out was going Travel anyway went above and beyond to stop this Idiot

[ONECRUISER]

1 hour ago, Mikew0805 said:

Seminole Hard Rock in Tampa opened tonight... Masks are required for guests and employees.

Yeah assume State required wearing Masks. Other Casinos I heard opened already didnt require them, though those have limited Capacity, dividers at Slots with 3 Max at Table Games. Guess with mask no drink, eating or smoking. Anyway when Ships start I'm on them. Have Cruises booked in Fall-Spring. See Royal Casinos doing same with Limited Capacity, Dividers and spacing

Edited May 22, 2020 by ONECRUISER

[ONECRUISER]

10 hours ago, Erik101 said:

The masks requirement depends on the property.  The casino in Coeur D’Alene, Idaho requires every guests to wear a mask while several of the Arizona casinos don’t. 
 

Yes, some States Require Masks for now, some Businesses might require it even if State or Reservation doesn't

[sugcarol]

I'm curious, with all the facts and figures out there for COVID has anyone seen ANYTHING about cases and deaths of the yearly flu? Are they lumping them in with COVID cases?

[AlanF65]

The reason businesses are being allowed to reopen is the hospitals have capacity for a surge in infected people and have the equipment and resources to react. 

 

The issue for the cruise lines is when passengers get sick at sea can they utilize the local ports (port they left from) hospital system? 

For me I would have flown from the US to Vancouver a week ago to travel to Alaska (the US) so would the Canadians let me comeback sick to their country or would I need a way back to the US?

 

Its not about a vaccine, its about the hospital capacity to take a surge in patients.

 

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[KsucAts]

17 hours ago, A&L_Ont said:

Agreed. This is the best mask explanation I’ve seen so far. 

 

 

If I need to pee, I know it is coming and go to the proper place.  Same goes for when I sneeze or cough.  I can cover properly without a mask.  (In fact if I was forced to wear a mask, I would remove it to sneeze into something else.) 

 

Also, what about farts?  I can still smell farts of people wearing pants.  

[time4u2go]

38 minutes ago, sugcarol said:

I'm curious, with all the facts and figures out there for COVID has anyone seen ANYTHING about cases and deaths of the yearly flu? Yes.  The CDC website has this information.  Are they lumping them in with COVID cases? No.

 

Edited May 22, 2020 by time4u2go

[A&L_Ont]

4 hours ago, KsucAts said:

I can still smell farts of people wearing pants.  

Then you are probably standing too close. If someone asks you, “do you smell popcorn”, don’t inhale deeply because they probably just cut the cheese near you.  As for the sneeze, I sure wouldn’t want to in a mask either.
 

Unfortunately there are some that don’t know or remember basics taught to us in our youth, starting with hand washing. It’s was sad to see ads on TV informing folks on how to wash their hands, instructing proper sneeze technique and telling folks to keep their hands away from eyes, nose and mouth. I guess it should not be a surprise, when we are bombarded with the wash you hand video on boarding day. 
 

I wonder what the next muster video will be telling us, hopefully with no disastrous ear worm tune.  

Edited May 22, 2020 by A&L_Ont

[Mikew0805]

19 hours ago, ONECRUISER said:

Yeah assume State required wearing Masks. Other Casinos I heard opened already didnt require them, though those have limited Capacity, dividers at Slots with 3 Max at Table Games. Guess with mask no drink, eating or smoking. Anyway when Ships start I'm on them. Have Cruises booked in Fall-Spring. See Royal Casinos doing same with Limited Capacity, Dividers and spacing

Me too!! 

[Coralc]

On 5/21/2020 at 6:55 PM, A&L_Ont said:

Agreed. This is the best mask explanation I’ve seen so far. 

 

 

 

I sent this to my husband and he sent it to the guys at work.  We have a mandatory face mask requirement here with some resistance. That is so funny! Thanks for finding and sharing it. 

[Bookish Angel]

On 5/21/2020 at 4:43 AM, deliver42 said:

I think that the chances of catching Covid-19 are being overblown if the precautions are taken. I work for a supermarket chain that has thousands of workers across 7 states, and we deal with customers as close a 1 foot away sometimes, and they aren't always wearing masks. Out of the thousands of workers, there have only been 19 cases, and thankfully no deaths. If I'm flamed for this, so be it, but these are facts.

https://www.npr.org/2020/05/22/859624421/grocery-workers-union-estimates-3-257-members-infected-with-coronavirus
 

I think the most significant portion of this piece is the 200% increase in 5 weeks.

[lr657]

On 5/21/2020 at 7:14 PM, cb at sea said:

Ships have ALWAYS gone out, and ALWAYS someone gets "sick"...tons of viruses and communicable illnesses out there.  Similar to every single school system in this country and abroad.  There is NO guarantee of perfect health...anywhere.  Y'all got to get this virus crap  out of your mind.....it's going to be part of life for YEARS to come.  Have to learn to deal with it...can't avoid it forever.

 

 

People who previously got sick on cruise ships rarely ended up becoming critically ill and requiring ventilator support. If passengers previously became critically ill on a ship, there could always be arrangements made to get them off the ship so they could get the care that was needed. This is not the case with COVID19. It's a highly contagious virus that little is yet known about. It likely will be around for years but at the moment there is not yet a vaccination and no real proven treatment. 

Edited May 23, 2020 by lr657

[RCLcruiser2012]

This is exactly what I am concerned about.  All it takes is one person.  Will all of the cruisers be forced to quarantine for 14 days when they return? SIGH.  Will they not be allowed to port?   Someone tests positive on day one well their goes your cruise, he or she may of touched the carpet. 🤣 This has all gotten out of control but this is the cards we are dealt.  

[RCLcruiser2012]

22 hours ago, sugcarol said:

I'm curious, with all the facts and figures out there for COVID has anyone seen ANYTHING about cases and deaths of the yearly flu? Are they lumping them in with COVID cases?

No, all deaths have magically disappeared...........

[coffeebean]

On 5/20/2020 at 10:38 PM, mk-ultra said:

If cruise lines sail again before requiring a certificate of (some future, effective) vaccination, it's going to be a ***** show.  I don't care if they do pre-board screenings, require a mask, try to social distance, reduce load factors to 30-50%, get rid of or modify the buffet, etc.

 

A ship is just way too intimate a space, filled with high-touch areas.  At least with noro, you're just miserable in cabin quarantine and running to the bathroom for the most part.I jus

I just said to my husband no more than five minutes ago..........Cruise lines should require a certificate of vaccination to Covid-19 to board the ship. No certificate, you do not cruise. Period. This coming from someone who has never had a flu shot and who has never had the flu. Sorry, I have not contributed to flu herd immunity. I will, however, have a C-19 vaccination as soon as it is available to the public.

Edited May 23, 2020 by coffeebean