Iona delay

[zap99]

2 minutes ago, wowzz said:

The Captain on our recent Princess cruise did a Q&A session.  He said that training was still given in the use of a sextant,  but if passengers ever saw one being used by a  crew member,  it was time to get very worried !  

I would guess that ' son of anarchy ' would confirm that there are lots of yachtsman sailing around who rely on their GPS and online charts to navigate. If the technology goes down, they could end up in a bit of a pickle. Hopefully not on a cruise ship.🤔

[Son of Anarchy]

1 hour ago, zap99 said:

I would guess that ' son of anarchy ' would confirm that there are lots of yachtsman sailing around who rely on their GPS and online charts to navigate. If the technology goes down, they could end up in a bit of a pickle. Hopefully not on a cruise ship.🤔

Yep.  Last time I skippered a yacht on a flotilla all the other boat crews were amused that I was plotting on paper charts.  But flotillas are easy sailing!   Last couple of times I've crewed for other people they have done most of their navigation on I pads.  Same age group as myself, so not some school leavers used to playing computer games.  The e charts are good, but you really should at the least keep a paper track of your position and have a pilot book/almanac.  I've always been averse to  being dependant on things that rely on electrickery, especially when away from a mains supply - or Storm Arwen is approaching.

 

Last time I was on Azura, we were told that they only keep paper charts for the run in to Southampton, for the cadets to practice the olde worlde skills.  If the computer goes u/s the ship goes into a sort of limp home mode and they have to head into the nearest safe haven.  Well, that's what were told.

[molecrochip]

On 11/28/2021 at 11:21 AM, tring said:

 

My information comes from someone who has spent a lifetime working in consumer in protection with a lot of the time specialising in the legal work and taking court cases.  I suggest you read the protective legislation that is in place for customers in the UK as well as contract law.  Terms and conditions cannot overule legal rights on any matter.  Passengers are entitled to a refund of cash they have paid for s portion of the holiday which is not provided as well as any losses incurred.  Because of the situation you mention there is no need for P&O to give compensation in addition to that, which I think is possibly what you have in mind.

 

It is the case though that Tand C's should be read as there are other ones which are valid, yet many people are not aware of them.

I'm not trying to cause a disagreement on this.... however I've spent my life in working in law. If this ended up in court, a judge would like rule under Significant Performance (link: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Substantial_performance) hence why cruise lines make an effort to offer something.

 

As for coming down on P&O's side, I hope my posts show that I'm not always in their court.

 

Also, there does seem to be an drop-off on ships reporting between Portugal and the English Channel.

[tring]

On 11/30/2021 at 11:02 PM, molecrochip said:

I'm not trying to cause a disagreement on this.... however I've spent my life in working in law. If this ended up in court, a judge would like rule under Significant Performance (link: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Substantial_performance) hence why cruise lines make an effort to offer something.

 

As for coming down on P&O's side, I hope my posts show that I'm not always in their court.

 

Yes, but would need to be equivalent.  I think you will find my initial post was supplying information so people could make their own minds up about whether something is acceptable to them, and if course, what is acceptable to one person is not necessarily acceptable to another person.

 

Your information is very much appreciated here, so I do not want to criticise all of your posts by any means, just that previous one did seem a bit lacking in the full information, especially bforbthose who had list a day of their cruise.  

 

Whilst you obviously have close connections with P&O, It is useful to hear things from their perspective and TBH I do agree with many of your posts, as after all, the company will only continue to exist if a profit can be made.

 

Edited December 2, 2021 by tring

[Megabear2]

Just had a message from family on board Iona that they have to miss Gibraltar today as it's too windy to dock.  They are having a great time and love Iona but wonder what might happen next!!

[terrierjohn]

8 minutes ago, Megabear2 said:

Just had a message from family on board Iona that they have to miss Gibraltar today as it's too windy to dock.  They are having a great time and love Iona but wonder what might happen next!!

The wind in Gib today is only 12mph, I wonder if this is just lack of experience and confidence with azipods for P&O captains. On Independence OTS  we had no problems in any port, and we had a couple of fairly windy port arrivals.

Edited December 2, 2021 by terrierjohn

[Son of Anarchy]

I saw on the Gib website that the cable was shut on 30 November due to high winds.  The site said that cable was back to normal ops 01 December.

[wowzz]

30 minutes ago, terrierjohn said:

The wind in Gib today is only 12mph, I wonder if this is just lack of experience and confidence with azipods for P&O captains. On Independence OTS  we had no problems in any port, and we had a couple of fairly windy port arrivals.

Any idea what the forecast is for later today ? It might be a decision based on trying to leave the port rather than arriving.

[wowzz]

58 minutes ago, wowzz said:

Any idea what the forecast is for later today ? It might be a decision based on trying to leave the port rather than arriving.

Just to add that Spirit of Discovery is leaving Lisbon early today, due to forecasted bad weather in the BoB. I wonder if that is the real reason why Iona has skipped Gib ?

[davecttr]

according to oceanweather dot com the gib winds are S To SW at 25 knots approx but the bbeb has this afternoon with wind from the west north west at 16 mph? lessening slowly

[bobstheboy]

I love all these experts !

[majortom10]

51 minutes ago, bobstheboy said:

I love all these experts !

So called "experts" that think they know it all sitting in their lounge chairs and know better than those actually on the ship and the Captain and his team. Most on here the only ships they have ever been in charge of is a rubber one in the bath. where wind can be severe at times.

[Bin man]

Hi wozz iona going other way 

[wowzz]

3 minutes ago, Bin man said:

Hi wozz iona going other way 

Shows why I am not an expert !

[terrierjohn]

1 hour ago, majortom10 said:

So called "experts" that think they know it all sitting in their lounge chairs and know better than those actually on the ship and the Captain and his team. Most on here the only ships they have ever been in charge of is a rubber one in the bath. where wind can be severe at times.

But for those who have cruised on many lines and lots of different ships, they will have amassed a wealth of experience which many lesser experienced posters will welcome.

[terrierjohn]

56 minutes ago, wowzz said:

Shows why I am not an expert !

Or maybe her navigating officer is a novice!!!!

[wowzz]

1 hour ago, majortom10 said:

So called "experts" that think they know it all sitting in their lounge chairs and know better than those actually on the ship and the Captain and his team. Most on here the only ships they have ever been in charge of is a rubber one in the bath. where wind can be severe at times.

To be fair, I would never presume to believe I know better than the professionals.  I was merely pondering as to why the port was missed.

[safathome]

Might be to make up the 1 day delay to departure from Southampton perhaps ?

Steve

[wowzz]

15 minutes ago, safathome said:

Might be to make up the 1 day delay to departure from Southampton perhaps ?

Steve

Especially given the need for testing prior to going ashore.

But, so as not to annoy Tom, I am no expert !

[Adawn47]

1 hour ago, majortom10 said:

So called "experts" that think they know it all sitting in their lounge chairs and know better than those actually on the ship and the Captain and his team. Most on here the only ships they have ever been in charge of is a rubber one in the bath. where wind can be severe at times.

It's just normal forum discussion and a general exchange of theories on particular situations, nothing more. Something  that we all do occasionally.

Avril

[majortom10]

2 hours ago, terrierjohn said:

But for those who have cruised on many lines and lots of different ships, they will have amassed a wealth of experience which many lesser experienced posters will welcome.

Certainly doesnt make you a master mariner or qualified to be a Captain of a ship dont care how many cruises you have been on. We have had a call to Gibraltar cancelled at the last minute because the port authority closed the port to all ships  due to winds, which Gibraltar is famous for. You will be telling me next because you have seen weather every day you are an expert meteorologist.

[majortom10]

1 hour ago, Adawn47 said:

It's just normal forum discussion and a general exchange of theories on particular situations, nothing more. Something  that we all do occasionally.

Avril

Whilst in general I agree with you wholeheartedly but there is a limited number on this forum that think they know it all and are better and more knowledgeable than everyone.

[wowzz]

1 minute ago, majortom10 said:

Whilst in general I agree with you wholeheartedly but there is a limited number on this forum that think they know it all and are better and more knowledgeable than everyone.

Pray tell !

[majortom10]

2 hours ago, terrierjohn said:

But for those who have cruised on many lines and lots of different ships, they will have amassed a wealth of experience which many lesser experienced posters will welcome.

Sorry but I have massed many cruises over the years and still know nothing on how to operate a ship the only one I am confident of controlling has paddles.

[Adawn47]

55 minutes ago, majortom10 said:

Whilst in general I agree with you wholeheartedly but there is a limited number on this forum that think they know it all and are better and more knowledgeable than everyone.

I agree with you Tom, but your limited number are most likely different to mine😉, however, everyone should still be able to state their views without being belittled. I mean no offence Tom, but I'm afraid that's how it came across to me.

Avril