What percentage before we turn red status?

[Colorado_Ag]

If the percentages are a factor for CDC ratings or for being allowed in ports it seems to me they would start removing positive cases in ports and shipping us home or, for crew, isolating in port. I agree that the larger percentage of positives are crew not passengers.

[Pinboy]

10 hours ago, Ipeeinthepools said:

 

It's simple.  The new protocol is: "Don't Test, Don't Tell"

Exactly--- And, it probably has been going on for a long time.

You spend thousands of dollars for the cruise , get the sniffles on day 2 --Are you going to get tested for fear of being quarantined ?  I doubt it .

You will know when you really need medical help.

We are still waiting for cruising to return to what it was, and ,hopefully soon.

 

 

 

 

 

 

Edited January 30, 2022 by Pinboy
Forgot a point

[What A Market]

9 minutes ago, Colorado_Ag said:

Didn't witness any prior to my isolation but I'm guessing

there are folks not testing. I think if we were in a large suite I might have hunkered down and ordered room service and ridden it out. I couldn't live with myself circulating around in public spaces on the ship suspecting I might have it.

Bravo!

 

[Colorado_Ag]

Interesting note, my wife was told that because she was exposed to me that she could not get off the ship in Cozumel. Panama and Costa Rica are allowed though.

[TeeRick]

2 minutes ago, Pinboy said:

Exactly--- And, it probably has been going on for a long time.

You spend thousands of dollars for the cruise , get the sniffles on day 2 --Are you going to get tested for fear of being quarantined ?  I doubt it .

It is truly a moral dilemma.  How would any of us decide?  Very interesting study of human nature.  Books will be written about this for ethics and philosophy courses. LOL.  But passengers are forced into this dilemma since the world, the CDC and the cruise lines are forced to treat positive tests - mostly with minor cold symptoms- like it is still the plague it was in March 2020.  Even though all passengers on Celebrity are fully vaccinated and many have a booster.  The data overwhelming shows not much serious health risk to them from Omicron.  That is primarily why I am not cruising right now.  Not for health concerns.  But the risk of getting caught up in all this hysteria.

[Arizona Wildcat]

39 minutes ago, TeeRick said:

Does the number of positive tests (3% or whatever) matter at this point?  The number of passengers with symptoms not reporting them is likely higher, perhaps much higher.  This is what current cruise passengers signed up for and chose to deal with being fully aware that Omicron has been on ships and is highly infectious.  The ship will probably not be turned back by the CDC but if the crew members get a lot of positive tests that will impact the cruise for sure.  And ports might refuse the ship.  Need to be extra careful and try to enjoy the cruise.

Am not sure many understand illness along with visits to medical team etc have always been reported to the CDC.  No change.  Unless the ship ran out of enough crew to handle passengers and themselves, why would a cruise be ended.  You are correct that everyone who boards is fully aware of the conditions and spread of omicron.  

What is a bit crazy to me are those that need to test on the pier to board another cruise or fly home.  Those people are subject to lots of expense and certainly a huge hassle.

If I lived near the port I  might cruise.  For Canada or Europe no way.

Wonder how many will miss Millennium due to weather issues too.

Strange times.

[SbbquilterUT]

15 hours ago, Colorado_Ag said:

I'm one of the lucky 3% on Connie. Tested positive yesterday morning and escorted to the red zone on deck 7 forward by employee in Ghostbusters suit.  My wife tested negative 24 hrs later and is free to move about the ship. My symptoms are mild, basically like a cold. The most surprising thing on this trip is the acceleration rate. 1% on Thurs,  2% yesterday and 3% today. Hopefully we level off here and the other 97% enjoy yesterday rest of the trip. The crew has been great and I feel well cared for. When I feel better I'm going to start challenging them with drink orders! 

Well Hello Neighbor - seems like we have quite a community this cruise.  My DH is awaiting his second test which I hope remains negative so he can remain out and about.  Interesting that he is hearing someone on a balcony close by coughing themselves silly.  Hope you feel well.  I am trying to figure out how to get some steps in today......  9 each time I walk from the door to the balcony 😎

[Oville]

4 hours ago, phoenix_dream said:

IMHO it is really hard to answer that. There are mostly us older folks on this cruise.  I hear tons of coughing here and there but truthfully alot of older folks were doing that pre-covid from years of smoking and let's face it, just from being older.  No way to tell if it's potential covid or just advanced years. DH has had sinus problems for years. For several hours each morning you might be nervous to be around him, but unless the symptoms last beyond mid-day this is 'normal ' for him. 

Thanks, enjoy your cruise and stay healthy.

[Cruisegoer]

16 hours ago, Colorado_Ag said:

Thank you.  I began having cold symptoms and was worried it might be covid. 

Thank you for being responsible 

[jagoffee]

5 hours ago, RichYak said:

They could start with no longer testing asymptomatic close contacts. Just notify them.

They could.  The CDC no longer recommends asymptomatic close contacts get a test or quarantine if they are fully vaccinated.  Of course we know that cruise ships are being handled different than most other activities.

[wrk2cruise]

From the sailings I've been on there certainly has been at least a small percentage of those identified as close contact that have subsequently tested positive and had symptoms.   Personally I don't have a problem with the current protocols of handling that.  24 hrs and and second negative test.

[Ipeeinthepools]

9 minutes ago, wrk2cruise said:

From the sailings I've been on there certainly has been at least a small percentage of those identified as close contact that have subsequently tested positive and had symptoms.   Personally I don't have a problem with the current protocols of handling that.  24 hrs and and second negative test.

 

I'd agree with you on this protocol.  However, I feel it is perhaps overly strict to forbid close contacts that test negative to be prohibited from continuing on B2B cruises.  Many people are likely exposed during their travel to the port and are allowed to board after a negative Covid test.

[phoenix_dream]

48 minutes ago, Ipeeinthepools said:

 

I'd agree with you on this protocol.  However, I feel it is perhaps overly strict to forbid close contacts that test negative to be prohibited from continuing on B2B cruises.  Many people are likely exposed during their travel to the port and are allowed to board after a negative Covid test.

I completely agree, and even more so if it occurs early in the cruise. 

[cgolf1]

5 hours ago, TeeRick said:

It is truly a moral dilemma.  How would any of us decide?  Very interesting study of human nature.  Books will be written about this for ethics and philosophy courses. LOL.  But passengers are forced into this dilemma since the world, the CDC and the cruise lines are forced to treat positive tests - mostly with minor cold symptoms- like it is still the plague it was in March 2020.  Even though all passengers on Celebrity are fully vaccinated and many have a booster.  The data overwhelming shows not much serious health risk to them from Omicron.  That is primarily why I am not cruising right now.  Not for health concerns.  But the risk of getting caught up in all this hysteria.

Especially for allergy sufferers coming from the cold north to the warm south. There will be changes including runny noses and possibly sneezing. We allergy sufferers just need to determine if it is outside of the expected normal. There are zero easy answers with this.

[Covepointcruiser]

Lucky for us we have not been sick since COVID began and we started wearing masks.   If you have the sniffles, at least use a home COVID test and make sure you didn’t pick up Omicron.   You will soon have “free” tests provided by the Government if in the U.S.

[Algebralovr]

5 hours ago, cgolf1 said:

Especially for allergy sufferers coming from the cold north to the warm south. There will be changes including runny noses and possibly sneezing. We allergy sufferers just need to determine if it is outside of the expected normal. There are zero easy answers with this.

This is my issue!  On my last two cruises on Reflection, November and December 2021, I had allergy symptoms.  My allergy symptoms include coughing, stuffy nose, sore throat, etc.  so many are the same as Covid.   You cough and everyone stares.  I made sure to wear a mask all the time, but yeah, it gets interesting.

 

I’m planning to take some of the OTC tests with me when we go to Silhouette in a couple of weeks, just in case.

[Oville]

11 minutes ago, Algebralovr said:

This is my issue!  On my last two cruises on Reflection, November and December 2021, I had allergy symptoms.  My allergy symptoms include coughing, stuffy nose, sore throat, etc.  so many are the same as Covid.   You cough and everyone stares.  I made sure to wear a mask all the time, but yeah, it gets interesting.

 

I’m planning to take some of the OTC tests with me when we go to Silhouette in a couple of weeks, just in case.

I understand what you mean, I also have sinus and asthma issues and sound pretty awful in the morning not to mention when around those overly perfumed in the evening.  For sure I’ll be wearing kn95s so I don’t scare anyone (also for me😉).

[TeeRick]

16 hours ago, cgolf1 said:

Especially for allergy sufferers coming from the cold north to the warm south. There will be changes including runny noses and possibly sneezing. We allergy sufferers just need to determine if it is outside of the expected normal. There are zero easy answers with this.

Yes great point!

[TeeRick]

11 hours ago, Covepointcruiser said:

Lucky for us we have not been sick since COVID began and we started wearing masks.   If you have the sniffles, at least use a home COVID test and make sure you didn’t pick up Omicron.   You will soon have “free” tests provided by the Government if in the U.S.

I ordered those "free" tests on the government web site the first day available.  That was 12 days ago.  According to the site, my order was received but still not shipped yet.  I guess they are waiting for Omicron to go away completely and then they will send them, after we don't need them.  Same for the "free" N95 masks-  I have not seen them anywhere at least where I live.  The At-home tests don't work well for Omicron anyway.

[jelayne]

1 hour ago, TeeRick said:

I ordered those "free" tests on the government web site the first day available.  That was 12 days ago.  According to the site, my order was received but still not shipped yet.  I guess they are waiting for Omicron to go away completely and then they will send them, after we don't need them.  Same for the "free" N95 masks-  I have not seen them anywhere at least where I live.  The At-home tests don't work well for Omicron anyway.

I ordered the afternoon before the “official” order date when I read the site was up early.  We received our tests in 7 days, however we only got 2.  There was no place to indicate a quantity so not sure why we got 2 vs 4 but at least we got them. 

[rmalbers]

We got ours in the mail quickly also.  One thing that I was wondering about, but hadn't seen, is the expire dates.  The ones we got were fresh and expire in 6 months so if you are ordering for a late summer or fall cruise secondary/additional  testing you will want to wait a while to ensure they are still good/valid.

[TeeRick]

10 minutes ago, rmalbers said:

We got ours in the mail quickly also.  One thing that I was wondering about, but hadn't seen, is the expire dates.  The ones we got were fresh and expire in 6 months so if you are ordering for a late summer or fall cruise secondary/additional  testing you will want to wait a while to ensure they are still good/valid.

What was the brand of these tests?

[canderson]

3 minutes ago, TeeRick said:

What was the brand of these tests?

XiMed?  Abbott doesn't have capacity, so the "free" kits come from the same place as the "free" KN95s.

[chamima]

On 1/30/2022 at 10:13 AM, TeeRick said:

It is truly a moral dilemma.  How would any of us decide?  Very interesting study of human nature.  Books will be written about this for ethics and philosophy courses. LOL.  But passengers are forced into this dilemma since the world, the CDC and the cruise lines are forced to treat positive tests - mostly with minor cold symptoms- like it is still the plague it was in March 2020.  Even though all passengers on Celebrity are fully vaccinated and many have a booster.  The data overwhelming shows not much serious health risk to them from Omicron.  That is primarily why I am not cruising right now.  Not for health concerns.  But the risk of getting caught up in all this hysteria.

 

And yet, 2000 people a day are dying from Covid in the US from what you say is "not much serious health risk".

[Ken the cruiser]

I have to admit it was nice seeing all green today. It has been quite awhile since the chart has looked like this. Hopefully, it will continue to stay on this trend. One can hope anyway. 😎

 

Have we flattened the curve in the US? - Johns Hopkins (jhu.edu)