Casino Smoke

[JoMoe]

I stand corrected.

 

In the RC FAQ section in response to is smoking allowed in the casino it says:

Yes. During operating hours, the casino will allow smoking, with certain areas designated as non-smoking.

 

Under the RC smoking policy it still states that:

Onboard all interior public spaces are smoke free.

 

It would be nice if all public spaces were actually smoke free.

[JoMoe]

Five Holland America ships have non smoking casinos and all casino have non smoking night.

Here is what it says on the Holland America site:

• Onboard Zuiderdam, Oosterdam, Westerdam, Eurodam and Nieuw Amsterdam the casinos are non-smoking. Onboard all other Holland America Line ships, smoking is allowed in the casinos except for non-smoking days.

[Clarea]

1 hour ago, JoMoe said:

 ...  During operating hours, the casino will allow smoking ...

 

This part is BS.  Smokers are in the casino all the time, whether the casino is open for gambling or not.   

[lovesthebeach2]

10 hours ago, Host Clarea said:

 

This part is BS.  Smokers are in the casino all the time, whether the casino is open for gambling or not.   

 

 

And not only are they allowed to smoke anytime, I’ve seen them standing right by the casino entrance smoking, they weren’t even technically inside.

[Clarea]

21 minutes ago, lovesthebeach2 said:

 

 

And not only are they allowed to smoke anytime, I’ve seen them standing right by the casino entrance smoking, they weren’t even technically inside.

 

They were holding their arm out so the cigarette was in the casino, right?

[lovesthebeach2]

53 minutes ago, Host Clarea said:

 

They were holding their arm out so the cigarette was in the casino, right?

 

 Nope.... this was a cruise to British Isles and it was cold so no one wanted to go outside. They just stood in the doorway and smoked. No one said anything and the entire centrum smelled awful. 

[mngolfer]

On 9/13/2018 at 7:34 PM, maggie cruises said:

 

 

 

I totally agree.

 

The cruise ship operators are really upsetting the majority of their pax by still allowing any smoking at all in an indoor venue. I.e. The casino

 

In this day and age where everything has to be PC it's insulting that the ships still allow indoor smoking even if just in the casino

 

Shows how much they consider their pax health and well being especially since so few pax actually smoke

 

It just appears that lots of pax smoke because they all pack into the casino to smoke not gamble

 

Disclaimer: don't say go sail on X because I shouldn't have to do that unless I want to. What needs to happen is to eliminate smoking at all indoor venues on all ships on all lines. However I would actually concede to a additional smoking casino as long as it was in a remote corner of the ship and not near anyplace any pax would want to go to and that it was totally vented out to sea and not waifing back into a 3 story atrium near food venues

 

 

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Since when is it the cruise company’s responsibility to look out after the health of their customers. Their responsibility is to make money and increase my stock price. I am not a smoker and would love smoke free cruises, but it’s silly to think that a cruise company should do something if it costs them money and I bet they have done a cost benefit analysis of the smoking areas and have decided the policy that way

[mngolfer]

And yet the ships are full, even with smoking casinos. You have to vote with your pocketbook. Catch 22, would like cheaper cruises, but own stock and would like to make money. Hmmmmmmmmmm, what a conundrum. 

[Magnetchief]

I think that our upcoming Alaska cruise will be our last with RCi due to the smoking issue in the casino.

The place stinks, the smell permiates your clothing, hair and surrounding areas.

[cruisegirl1]

15 hours ago, JoMoe said:

M, 

That is not what the RC policy is.  Go to there website and look at the policy.  It states that all indoor areas are smoke free - which is not true because of smoking in the casino.  It also states that only active players are allowed to smoke and only when the casino is open.  Neither of those rules are enforced and even known by the various crew member I spoke to.

For most cruises, there will be a notation in the Compass that smoking is permitted in the casino.  Smoking is permitted even if the casino is closed.    Anyone can smoke, regardless if they are playing. Anyone can sit at any machine, even if they are not playing. I believe only players may sit at the tables. 

m

[laslomas]

8 hours ago, mngolfer said:

Since when is it the cruise company’s responsibility to look out after the health of their customers. Their responsibility is to make money and increase my stock price. I am not a smoker and would love smoke free cruises, but it’s silly to think that a cruise company should do something if it costs them money and I bet they have done a cost benefit analysis of the smoking areas and have decided the policy that way

 

What about the health of their staff who are probably told the area they will be working so cannot decide to avoid the casino? The croupiers know it comes with the job on RCI, but there are bar staff and cleaners, etc. too. No-one should have to work in those conditions. There are lots of articles about ETS (Environmental Tobacco Smoke) and ETS exposure as an environmental illness. Possibly nothing will change until they have to start dealing with workers compensation claims.

Environmental tobacco smoke (ETS), also known as second hand smoke, has become an acknowledged health risk.  Medical experts agree that ETS contains almost all the same toxins and carcinogens that have been identified in smoke inhaled by the smoker, though at less concentrated levels.  Exposure to ETS can cause or aggravate a variety of medical problems similar to those associated with smoking itself.

 

[mr walker]

Come join us downunder - no smoking anywhere inside the ship, including the casino! Oh, and the same applies on land, although there are some isolated facilities where gamblers can smoke, but these are completely segregated from other people.

[NumnuT]

40 minutes ago, mr walker said:

Come join us downunder - no smoking anywhere inside the ship, including the casino! Oh, and the same applies on land, although there are some isolated facilities where gamblers can smoke, but these are completely segregated from other people.

Cheers to that...

Craig

[constable145]

On 3/4/2019 at 8:32 AM, Whitapers said:

Hello!
For a casino, this is not profitable, if you take an example from statistics, casinos that put a ban on smoking in the hall, on average, lose 22% per month in income ... then I think it’s not worth explaining.
I myself am a smoker, and in principle, cigarette smoke does not bother me. BUT, it's one thing when you sit alone in a room in front of the monitor, calmly play online casino https://casino-now.co.uk - and smoke like I do. Another moment when you sit in a real casino at the table and smoke , and there are a lot of people like "smokers" in the hall. Plus, there are people who do not play but smoke, there are even more of them than the players themselves. If the ventilation in the room is poorly thought out, then discomfort is felt immediately.

 

Back this up with some stats please. Many casinos around the world are 100% smoke free.. and you don't hear about casinos going out of business ( unless they've been leveled to build a bigger, fancier property).

 

[sellwingri]

9 hours ago, mr walker said:

Come join us downunder - no smoking anywhere inside the ship, including the casino! Oh, and the same applies on land, although there are some isolated facilities where gamblers can smoke, but these are completely segregated from other people.

I spend a lot of time in the casino and absolutely loved my b2b cruises in NZ and AU because they were smoke free! 

[HBE4]

1 hour ago, constable145 said:

 

Back this up with some stats please. Many casinos around the world are 100% smoke free.. and you don't hear about casinos going out of business ( unless they've been leveled to build a bigger, fancier property).

 

 

The Revel in Atlantic City, NJ. The $2.5 billion dollar resort opened in 2012 promising to revitalize Atlantic City, and bring a high-end, Las Vegas-style destination resort to the Jersey shore, replete with entertainment (Beyonce) and pool parties.

 

It was also AC only smoke-free casino. It filed for bankruptcy twice and closed within 2 years.  Lack of smoking on the casino floor was cited as one of the reasons why it failed.  I'm a non-smoker but some of my smoking family&friends would not go there with me for that reason.

 

https://www.citylab.com/life/2013/05/atlantic-citys-incredibly-bad-gamble-revel-casino/5541/

 

"But it lacks two key features of most casinos: a gambling floor in which smoking is allowed, and a cheap buffet option for dining."

 

Granted, there were a lot of other, more important factors: AC is more of day-tripper / overnight getaway and not a destination resort and the casino was plagued by various financial setbacks during the Great Recession. Three other smoking casino also went out of business but they were rundown hotels that had seen better days back in 1980 and have been one the verge of going out of business for decades.

 

The place has since re-opened as The Ocean Casino and allows smoking.

 

[SRF]

On 3/5/2019 at 12:18 PM, Oceans4 said:

but indoor smoking should be banned out of fairness to those that don't smoke.   

 

But how is that fair to the smokers?

 

Why should it be fair for only one side?

 

 

[Don'tNeedAName]

43 minutes ago, SRF said:

 

But how is that fair to the smokers?

 

Why should it be fair for only one side?

 

 

 

Banning indoor smoking is a fair solution because smokers cause harm to other people.  Second hand smoke is dangerous, and anyone's perceived right to fairness should end when they are actively putting others at risk.  Smokers would not prohibited from smoking, but would be prohibited from doing so in an enclosed environment where the risks to others are heightened.  Seems fair to me, and in fact, seems to be the only way smokers and nonsmokers can co-enjoy an area "fairly."

 

Using the casino as an example: in a non-smoking casino, a smoker who wants to smoke does not have to avoid the casino entirely because he could step outside and have a smoke, then return.  In a smoking casino, a nonsmoker who does not want to be subjected to smoke would have to avoid the space entirely.  How is forcing a choice between one's health and being able to enjoy the ship's amenities fair?  (Note, this also ignores the fact that the smoke does not actually stay within the confines of the casino.)

 

Someone brought up the alcohol comparison earlier.  Although, as has been covered already, it is a poor overall analogy, I think it can provide background for the purposes of discussing fairness here.

 

It is legal to drink, but it is illegal to drink and drive.  By drinking and driving, drunk drivers are putting innocent parties at risk.

 

It is legal to smoke, but in many places it is illegal to smoke inside, near doorways, etc.  By smoking inside, smokers are putting innocent parties at risk.

[Biker19]

[cruisegirl1]

Actually I think there should be an enclosed smoking  area somewhere on the ship,  just for smokers, but not the casino.  The casino is a public area and it is impossible to have a non smoking section and think that there is no smoke  effects . Or often one has to  walk through the smoking areas ( the majority of the casino)  to get to the non smoking area. 

M

[gerif]

1 hour ago, SRF said:

 

But how is that fair to the smokers?

 

Why should it be fair for only one side?

 

 

But it’s not really “one side.”  Only about 12% of people on a cruise smoke, so hardly a fair ratio. Why should I be denied a ship activity I enjoy so a mere fraction of the other passengers can be accommodated? Where is the fairness in that?

[Welly9]

25 minutes ago, Biker19 said:

LOL, sound like a bunch of old hens! 

[LMaxwell]

I'm really not interested in gambling; after my recent trip to Las Vegas being in a smoky casino to socialize at night w colleagues really had me feeling like I smoked a half a pack of cigs.  Dry eyes, throat hurt.  I have evolved on this matter; if cruise lines want to keep casinos as smoking, fine, but they aren't getting my money either way.  It's a "must not do" on a cruise for me.   But with the large size of these new ships I don't understand why they aren't bisecting the casino into glassed smoking sections.  Has anyone been on a Carnival ship?  Awful w the casino open to the main promenade through the ship.  Can't even enjoy the bands outside the casino because it reeks.  

 

It doesn't really seem like cruise lines are trying to be accommodating in this matter when, by design, they could be. 

[DISFANS3]

Time to go smoke free...

[kiska]

On 3/6/2019 at 7:52 PM, laslomas said:

 

What about the health of their staff who are probably told the area they will be working so cannot decide to avoid the casino? The croupiers know it comes with the job on RCI, but there are bar staff and cleaners, etc. too. No-one should have to work in those conditions. There are lots of articles about ETS (Environmental Tobacco Smoke) and ETS exposure as an environmental illness. Possibly nothing will change until they have to start dealing with workers compensation claims.

 

No one has to work in those conditions. Employees are always making a choice where they work, the same goes for all the bar staff and cleaners. They can choose to go work somewhere else, whether it is a different cruise line, or land based something or other. No one is forcing them to work on the ships, they are choosing it. Why should they be dictating to their employers how the place of employment is run? I have to work Monday-Friday, 8 hours a day. Would you defend me if I complained that I don't like the work schedule and prefer to work Wednesday-Friday 4 hours a day? I realize it's the same argument that was used for waitstaff when restaurants went smoke free, but my argument still applies there - you don't like to work in a smoking restaurant, find another line of work, it's really not a complicated matter.