Oasis incident at Freeport Shipyard

[Mikew0805]

35 minutes ago, yzfmik said:

Was just looking at an overhead pic of Symphony and realized if this accident has happened post AMP it would have taken out the Ultimate Abyss!  (since it took out the railing on deck 16!)

I do not know for sure, but the AMP'd brochures do not mention the Abyss, so I am thinking that Oasis and Allure, will not get it. That is what I am hoping anyway.

[AmazedByCruising]

1 minute ago, DerekB said:

So you would agree that most make request far in advance?

 

In businesses where there's are reasonable chance you'd be too late, yes. But while working 40 years, there are only let's say 20 where you have kids in school, if you have any. It totally depends on the job.

 

 

[volk904]

I am no expert but I believe they must have all ready seen sign of a bearing problem developing and that is why they scheduled the change out.  With a major long period full drydock already scheduled for the fall if it was just simple preventing maintenance why not wait a few more months.   

[scottish67]

58 minutes ago, voyager70 said:

What was this thread about to start with 🤔  

 

Agreed; I'm anxiously reading each post for updates on the Oasis. While I appreciate the discussion about European time off procedures, it would be awesome if we could stick to the topic at hand (Repairs of Oasis, refund process, etc.). 

[chengkp75]

12 minutes ago, volk904 said:

I am no expert but I believe they must have all ready seen sign of a bearing problem developing and that is why they scheduled the change out.  With a major long period full drydock already scheduled for the fall if it was just simple preventing maintenance why not wait a few more months.   

Based on the previous failures of Oasis, Allure, and some of the Freedom class, they have a pretty good baseline for failure time on the older OA azipods, and therefore they can better schedule the bearing renewal (pending dock availability, which is always a concern).  They base this maintenance interval on things like previous failure times, and oil condition (spectrographic analysis of metals present in the oil to determine bearing condition), and things like the azipod bearings will experience a long period of excellent wear characteristics, and at a given point, the wear characteristic "turns a corner" and starts to wear more rapidly.  Good engineering is the balance between reliability and cost, and replacing the bearings at this "corner" is the optimum time to complete the maintenance.  Manufacturer's planned maintenance intervals are derived from past performance around the world, and intervals are set to prevent failures.

[rafinmd]

I believe the question of how this will affect offers and future sailings has been part of this discussion from the beginning.  While some of these posts do not interest me personally, I’ve yet to see anything that looks off topic to me.

 

Roy

 

[torpeedo]

I was curious if there's a webcam in Freeport where we can see how the Oasis is progressing?  I'm thinking no.  I looked at all webcams and couldn't find one.  I imagine there isn't much call for a webcam there but because of the accident I'd love to see how they get the crane off the ship!

[John&LaLa]

2 hours ago, Thorben-Hendrik said:

I think after the last propultion issues with the Viking Star - they were ordered to have everything fixed before the TA - as 8000 passengers stuck in the midle of the atlantic would be quite a nightmare....😱

 

Ok, you've totally lost any credibility. 

The Oasis cancelled the March 31 cruise to do the azipod maintenance months before the Viking Sky had propulsion issues. 

 

BTW, what propulsion issue did Viking Star have?

[John&LaLa]

16 minutes ago, scottish67 said:

 

Agreed; I'm anxiously reading each post for updates on the Oasis. While I appreciate the discussion about European time off procedures, it would be awesome if we could stick to the topic at hand (Repairs of Oasis, refund process, etc.). 

 

Not sure the OP created this thread to discuss refund process of the cancelled cruises. 🤔

[John&LaLa]

59 minutes ago, Mikew0805 said:

I do not know for sure, but the AMP'd brochures do not mention the Abyss, so I am thinking that Oasis and Allure, will not get it. That is what I am hoping anyway.

 

I was told at officer lunch that Oasis would get slides. The Abyss is a slide.😉

Edited April 6, 2019 by John&LaLa

[voyager70]

1 minute ago, John&LaLa said:

 

Not sure the OP created this thread to discuss refund process of the cancelled cruises. 🤔

 

And at one point morphed into a discussion about European vacation policies 😁

[bigeck]

11 minutes ago, John&LaLa said:

 

Ok, you've totally lost any credibility. 

The Oasis cancelled the March 31 cruise to do the azipod maintenance months before the Viking Sky had propulsion issues. 

 

BTW, what propulsion issue did Viking Star have?

And it has been confirmed VS engines failed due to low oil levels

[John&LaLa]

1 minute ago, bigeck said:

And it has been confirmed VS engines failed due to low oil levels

 

Which VS? I'm so confused

[bigeck]

1 minute ago, John&LaLa said:

 

Which VS? I'm so confused

Viking Sky

Edited April 6, 2019 by bigeck

[voyager70]

7 minutes ago, bigeck said:

And it has been confirmed VS engines failed due to low oil levels

 

Very odd that this was the cause.  Every car warns you when oil levels are low!

 

[MrMarc]

I have been on many comped cruises and have gotten double C&A points on every one since I cruise by myself.

[yzfmik]

1 hour ago, Mikew0805 said:

I do not know for sure, but the AMP'd brochures do not mention the Abyss, so I am thinking that Oasis and Allure, will not get it. That is what I am hoping anyway.

I spoke to several employees a few weeks ago on Oasis about the AMP and the guys at the Sabor Bar were very confident that the Ultimate Abyss is coming.  Obviously the bar will need to be removed, and they also said Playmakers would be replacing Sabor.  I'm super excited for the AMP, going to book an April Oasis sailing while on Navigator next month!  

[Dry Dock Dave]

20 minutes ago, bigeck said:

And it has been confirmed VS engines failed due to low oil levels

 

 

Not quite what happened is it?

 

The oil level was within operating range, the rough seas caused enough surge in the oil tanks for the pick up to draw in air and drop the oil pressure sufficiently for the safety cut off to activate to prevent damage 

 

if the engine failed, they wouldn’t have got it to start again 

Edited April 6, 2019 by Dry Dock Dave

[John&LaLa]

1 hour ago, MrMarc said:

I have been on many comped cruises and have gotten double C&A points on every one since I cruise by myself.

 

Free Pinnacle cruise 7 points

Free casino cruise 7 points

Free noro cruise to replace fee casino cruise, 14 points. Laura went solo since I could not go.

Semi free BoA poits cruise 7 points twice

 

[Lionesss]

3 hours ago, DerekB said:

My thoughts exactly. I live in the Netherlands and if there is anything the Dutch love it is planning in advance! I've had my employees vacation request for this year on the books since early last year - and that isn't even required by me. 

 

 

I live in Ohio and worked in the Medical field.

We had to have all our vacations in and verified by August 30th of the previous year.

 

I got 7 weeks paid vacation and all 35 days had to be accounted for by that August date, or it would not be granted.

 

So we have always planned our vacations a  minimum of 12 months out.

 

Safe travels.

[xpcdoojk]

2 hours ago, John&LaLa said:

 

Ok, you've totally lost any credibility. 

The Oasis cancelled the March 31 cruise to do the azipod maintenance months before the Viking Sky had propulsion issues. 

 

BTW, what propulsion issue did Viking Star have?

 

He ever had credibility?  Could have fooled me!

 

jc

[John&LaLa]

2 minutes ago, xpcdoojk said:

 

He ever had credibility?  Could have fooled me!

 

jc

 

Quite the authority on welds.

When do you head to Sydney?

Safe travels

Edited April 7, 2019 by John&LaLa

[ipeeinthepool]

2 hours ago, bigeck said:

And it has been confirmed VS engines failed due to low oil levels

 

This is really surprising.  Cars are always designed with baffles in the oil tank to prevent oil starvation in extreme maneuvers.   I suspect the design was compromised when they got rid of the old guys with experience.  Or perhaps they eliminated baffles in the oil tank design to reduce cost or save weight.     

[AlanF65]

3 hours ago, chengkp75 said:

Based on the previous failures of Oasis, Allure, and some of the Freedom class, they have a pretty good baseline for failure time on the older OA azipods, and therefore they can better schedule the bearing renewal (pending dock availability, which is always a concern).  They base this maintenance interval on things like previous failure times, and oil condition (spectrographic analysis of metals present in the oil to determine bearing condition), and things like the azipod bearings will experience a long period of excellent wear characteristics, and at a given point, the wear characteristic "turns a corner" and starts to wear more rapidly.  Good engineering is the balance between reliability and cost, and replacing the bearings at this "corner" is the optimum time to complete the maintenance.  Manufacturer's planned maintenance intervals are derived from past performance around the world, and intervals are set to prevent failures.

 

Chief,

Is the spectrographic analysis done real time automatically (software) reported to the bridge or reported from the ship to a central maintenance database / facility?

 

I guess my real question is, is "home" updated daily / hourly / weekly / by voyage to make the maintenance  decisions or does a mechanic on board actually have to do a physical test  on a given interval and update home base?

 

thanks

Alan

[xpcdoojk]

1 hour ago, John&LaLa said:

 

Quite the authority on welds.

When do you head to Sydney?

Safe travels

 

thanks John, first flight at 11:20AM Thursday, 3 hour layover in Denver, then SFO, another 4 hour layover, then off to Sydney arrive7AM.  Catch a flight to Brisbane at 10, catch a flight to Gladstone at 1... Helicopter to Heron Island at 3.... falling to sleep in our Point Suite shortly there after missing prepaid dinner in the Shearwater at 7.....

 

Can only imagine how tired we will be when we get to Heron Island.

 

jc