Rare cbr663 Posted March 27, 2020 #401 Share Posted March 27, 2020 42 minutes ago, arabrab said: It is a dam mess. I hope Rotterdam is required to quarantine all aboard for 14 days from today. Bringing passengers from an infected ship to an uninfected ship exposes a whole lot of folks on board the Rotterdam. The chances that none of the transferred passengers develop coronavirus in the next 14 days seems very, very small. I agree 100% 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rare cbr663 Posted March 27, 2020 #402 Share Posted March 27, 2020 19 minutes ago, bouhunter said: Agree, an awful mess. Someone here just posted it's a "good plan...…". Well it's a plan and I guess the best they can do. Little early to say it's a good one. I agree an awful mess. I don't think that it was the best that they could do. With everyone on the Zdam, the virus is contained to one ship. With passengers self isolated for only 5 days, there is no way for anyone to determine whether passengers currently not exhibiting symptoms have the virus or not. Moving these passengers to another ship after only 5 days of self isolation significantly increases the risk of spreading the virus to another ship and all of that's ship's crew. Should even 1 person on the Rdam start to develop symptoms then HAL will have another ship sailing the oceans looking for a port to dock. Time will tell for sure. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
canadianjovigirl Posted March 27, 2020 #403 Share Posted March 27, 2020 (edited) They’re reporting deaths on board https://www.businessinsider.com/holland-american-coronavirus-covid-19-zaandam-rotterdam-2020-3 Edited March 27, 2020 by canadianjovigirl 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CruiserBruce Posted March 27, 2020 #404 Share Posted March 27, 2020 8 minutes ago, canadianjovigirl said: They’re reporting deaths on board https://www.businessinsider.com/holland-american-coronavirus-covid-19-zaandam-rotterdam-2020-3 It was reported on this thread over an hour ago. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
arabrab Posted March 27, 2020 #405 Share Posted March 27, 2020 (edited) 10 minutes ago, canadianjovigirl said: They’re reporting deaths on board https://www.businessinsider.com/holland-american-coronavirus-covid-19-zaandam-rotterdam-2020-3 That is a fascinating article with many more details than provided in the HAL statement. A total cluster. 3 deaths in the last day, 1 before that. Edited March 27, 2020 by arabrab Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
canadianjovigirl Posted March 27, 2020 #406 Share Posted March 27, 2020 (edited) 10 minutes ago, CruiserBruce said: Edited March 27, 2020 by canadianjovigirl 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
canadianjovigirl Posted March 27, 2020 #407 Share Posted March 27, 2020 (edited) 12 minutes ago, Av8rix said: Edited March 27, 2020 by canadianjovigirl 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
portofrome Posted March 27, 2020 #408 Share Posted March 27, 2020 My prayers for all onboard. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rare TiogaCruiser Posted March 27, 2020 #409 Share Posted March 27, 2020 52 minutes ago, ducklite said: Is the Rotterdam a bigger ship? Would they be able to place everyone removed into balcony cabins for fresh air instead of relying on re-circulated? It seems that could make a big difference in curbing the potential spread of any disease--even the common cold. Rotterdam and Zaandam are sister ships (both r class) and have similar capacities and facilities. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ncgolferette Posted March 27, 2020 #410 Share Posted March 27, 2020 Just on the news four people have passed away on the ship. God bless them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boatdrill Posted March 27, 2020 #411 Share Posted March 27, 2020 (edited) 34 minutes ago, cbr663 said: I agree an awful mess. I don't think that it was the best that they could do. From the HAL statement : "Today we announced a plan to transfer groups of healthy Zaandam guests to Rotterdam, with strict protocols for this process developed in conjunction with the U.S. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC)." Edited March 27, 2020 by Boatdrill Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
timbom Posted March 27, 2020 #412 Share Posted March 27, 2020 Where are they off to now that panama has refused transit of canal?? Will Mexico take them?? Looks like San Francisco to me as they handled the last so well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rare rafinmd Posted March 27, 2020 #413 Share Posted March 27, 2020 7 minutes ago, timbom said: Where are they off to now that panama has refused transit of canal?? Will Mexico take them?? Looks like San Francisco to me as they handled the last so well. Where did you hear that they were refused transit? Roy 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
npcl Posted March 27, 2020 #414 Share Posted March 27, 2020 This is absolutely horrid news. Since CCL is a Panamanian company and unlike many other central american countries Panama has a very good medical system (a destination for medical tourism) that exports doctors to other countries and the ship is in that area, why can't they get permission to at least offload the sick patients there. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TanTien Posted March 27, 2020 #415 Share Posted March 27, 2020 Update from about an hour ago. https://www.washingtonpost.com/travel/2020/03/27/four-passengers-have-died-zaandam-cruise-ship-where-two-people-tested-positive-covid-19/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rare cruisemom42 Posted March 27, 2020 #416 Share Posted March 27, 2020 48 minutes ago, canadianjovigirl said: They’re reporting deaths on board https://www.businessinsider.com/holland-american-coronavirus-covid-19-zaandam-rotterdam-2020-3 From the article cited, these are chilling words: "There is no other place for us to take the guests and no other means to provide assistance to the Zaandam and our fellow team members on board." 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ducklite Posted March 27, 2020 #417 Share Posted March 27, 2020 11 minutes ago, npcl said: This is absolutely horrid news. Since CCL is a Panamanian company and unlike many other central american countries Panama has a very good medical system (a destination for medical tourism) that exports doctors to other countries and the ship is in that area, why can't they get permission to at least offload the sick patients there. Because they don’t want to overload their hospitals. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gui218 Posted March 27, 2020 #418 Share Posted March 27, 2020 Zaandam, Thank you to all Crew members current and past. We enjoyed a spectacular Antarctica/South America cruise in the past. The Zaandam survived the Drake shake. We salute the Compassionate Mariners on the Rotterdam for their assistance to the Zaandam. Good luck and best wishes to all passengers and crew on the Zaandam and Rotterdam. 12 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1ANGELCAT Posted March 27, 2020 #419 Share Posted March 27, 2020 17 minutes ago, npcl said: This is absolutely horrid news. Since CCL is a Panamanian company and unlike many other central american countries Panama has a very good medical system (a destination for medical tourism) that exports doctors to other countries and the ship is in that area, why can't they get permission to at least offload the sick patients there. Are you referring to Carnival Corporation or Carnival Cruise Line ? HAL ships are not registered in Panama. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JazzyV Posted March 27, 2020 #420 Share Posted March 27, 2020 The Zaandam had planned to pass through the Panama Canal en route to Florida, but after being inspected by Panamanian authorities, the request to use the canal was denied, said canal Administrator Ricauter Vásquez. The Health Ministry “did not give permission,” Vásquez told reporters Friday. “The ship is in territorial waters but has to remain isolated.” https://www.yahoo.com/news/4-passengers-dead-aboard-cruise-183733702.html 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
canadianbear Posted March 27, 2020 #421 Share Posted March 27, 2020 This is such a sad situation and I feel for all those on board including the staff. It’s one of my favourite ships and holds wonderful memories for me. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rare rafinmd Posted March 27, 2020 #422 Share Posted March 27, 2020 Do both ships need refueling before they can proceed? Roy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
arabrab Posted March 27, 2020 #423 Share Posted March 27, 2020 I wish them well, but I'm sorry that Rotterdam crew who didn't volunteer for this are being forcibly thrust into this situation. It is unfortunate that they did not ask for volunteers (in addition to the already planned medical staff)) and transfer the volunteers to the Zaandam who could live in cabins that are not occupied and provide support. (Zaandam was not full on this sailing) 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BellKat Posted March 27, 2020 #424 Share Posted March 27, 2020 2 hours ago, arabrab said: It is a dam mess. I hope Rotterdam is required to quarantine all aboard for 14 days from today. Bringing passengers from an infected ship to an uninfected ship exposes a whole lot of folks on board the Rotterdam. The chances that none of the transferred passengers develop coronavirus in the next 14 days seems very, very small. You do know there are no passengers on Rotterdam right? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rare cruisemom42 Posted March 27, 2020 #425 Share Posted March 27, 2020 4 minutes ago, BellKat said: You do know there are no passengers on Rotterdam right? But many crew that could be put at risk. And from what we've been told so far, they (the Rotterdam crew) were not originally told that they would be picking up passengers when they agreed (as is apparently required) to undertake the rendevouz mission. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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