New Covid-19 Cruise Ship Rules

[ReneeFLL]

On 1/25/2021 at 9:33 AM, ace2542 said:

Should crew be on here? I don't really care from either end. But isn't it a bit like being spied on?

Ace, aren’t there cameras everywhere in the UK? I would have thought you would be used to it.

 

On 1/25/2021 at 10:22 AM, smokeybandit said:

I'm fine with a covid vaccine mandate just as long as they make all other modern vaccines mandatory, too.

Why would they make other vaccines a requirement? I don’t understand why people think covid is like other contagious diseases. It ISN’T.

 

On 1/25/2021 at 12:30 PM, Iamcruzin said:

You are correct. I’m not willing  to spend thousands of dollars to hang out on the balcony in my room. I have more sq ft at home and a yard. I can actually get in the car and drive to a wine vineyard or the beach. There is no reason to book a cruise under these conditions.

It would be nice for those people who think they have to have a vacation that they would visit some of the places in our own back yard. Our economy sure could use it. Vineyards are nice. So glad a negative covid test will be required to fly back into the US. There will be plenty of people coming up with fake paper work either for the test or the recovery documentation, especially some people in the medical field. 🙄

Edited January 27, 2021 by ReneeFLL

[ReneeFLL]

On 1/25/2021 at 3:32 PM, DCGuy64 said:

Cozumel is a great destination! We went to Cancun last August and had a great time. For now, Cancun and its environs are getting trickier to navigate to. Curse this damned virus already!

https://www.traveloffpath.com/cases-surge-in-cancun-and-playa-del-carmen-as-governor-increases-risk-level/

 

This is going to put a damper on some vacations. Good to see they are doing what they need to do to bring down the numbers.

“Under the new warning level tourism related business will have to drop their capacity from 60% to a maximum of 30%.”

 

[ace2542]

10 hours ago, ReneeFLL said:

Ace, aren’t there cameras everywhere in the UK? I would have thought you would be used to it.

As opposed to what all the cameras in america and in vegas casinos. 

 

Could royal dude identify someone from  postings and handle name and maybe previous cc meetups and get them banned off Royal if he doesn't like what they are saying about masks or this or that?. That is just a question.

 

 

[ace2542]

11 hours ago, ReneeFLL said:

So glad a negative covid test will be required to fly back into the US. There will be plenty of people coming up with fake paper work either for the test or the recovery documentation, especially some people in the medical field. 🙄

How is that legal?. I am under the impression that an American citizens CANNOT be denied to the country, period end of story. What about a country where they struggle for a long time or maybe even cannot get a covid test? 

[crazyank]

21 hours ago, ace2542 said:

How is that legal?. I am under the impression that an American citizens CANNOT be denied to the country, period end of story. What about a country where they struggle for a long time or maybe even cannot get a covid test? 

US citizens can be required to provide a negative test and can be required to quarantine upon entry to the US.  At the moment airlines here are requiring a negative test before letting you board,  and they don't care what country you're a citizen of.

Edited January 28, 2021 by crazyank

[Sail n Snow]

23 hours ago, ace2542 said:

How is that legal?. I am under the impression that an American citizens CANNOT be denied to the country, period end of story. What about a country where they struggle for a long time or maybe even cannot get a covid test? 

They are not denying you entry.  You don’t enter until you go through customs.  So unfortunately if you don’t have a means of travel back to the US it’s not the governments fault. 
 

If you can charter a plane or take a boat or swim once you reach the shores of the US they can’t deny you entry (unless there is a valid legal reason)
 

With that being said early on when countries were shutting down the US State department did charter some “repatriation” flights to help assist those stuck abroad from getting home.  and looking it up seems it’s still being done in some countries. This one from Peru a few months ago. 

 

https://pe.usembassy.gov/alert-upcoming-flight-repatriation-update-and-modifications-to-peruvian-quarantine-measures-peru-september-18-2020/

[CaroleSS]

2 hours ago, Sail n Snow said:

If you can charter a plane or take a boat or swim once you reach the shores of the US they can’t deny you entry (unless there is a valid legal reason)

"How is that legal?"

 

It only counts if you come to the US legally. All the illegals coming to the US will not have to test negative or show proof of vaccination to enter.

 

Maybe we should all just claim "asylum"!

[Joanne G.]

I find those restrictions unappealing - except the new muster plan.   NCL canceled my 2020 European cruise, and Carnival just canceled their entire summer 2021 season in Europe, so my long-planned (booked pre-pandemic) August cruise isn't happening.   I have my eye on a fall, 2021 itinerary in Europe on Royal Caribbean, with the hope that I will be vaccinated by then (likely) and Europe will be open to cruising (less likely).

 

But as badly as I want to cruise, I am not making any plans until the major cruise lines start up again, particularly in Europe, and I can read reports about the onboard and on shore experiences.   

 

I shake my head at the description of a mask as a "tiny" piece of cloth.   To me, a band-aid is tiny, not something that covers half my face.  The fact that I have been wearing one for 10 months whenever I leave the house doesn't mean I want to wear one on vacation.   

 

To those willing to go under whatever requirements in place, I wish you all a great time, and please let us know what it was like.   If restrictions are still in place for my re-scheduled 2022 cruises, by then I may be ready to suck it up and deal with them in order to get onboard!  

[jean87510]

On 1/26/2021 at 7:24 PM, ReneeFLL said:

Ace, aren’t there cameras everywhere in the UK? I would have thought you would be used to it.

 

Why would they make other vaccines a requirement? I don’t understand why people think covid is like other contagious diseases. It ISN’T.

 

It would be nice for those people who think they have to have a vacation that they would visit some of the places in our own back yard. Our economy sure could use it. Vineyards are nice. So glad a negative covid test will be required to fly back into the US. There will be plenty of people coming up with fake paper work either for the test or the recovery documentation, especially some people in the medical field. 🙄

Many of us in the medical field value our licenses and our profession and would not jeopardize either to fake documents for a vacation.  You obviously don't know much about people in the medical profession.  

Edited January 28, 2021 by jean87510

[d9704011]

57 minutes ago, jean87510 said:

Many of us in the medical field value our licenses and our profession and would not jeopardize either to fake documents for a vacation.  You obviously don't know much about people in the medical profession.  

I’m not, nor have I ever been, in the medical profession.  In addition to what you’ve said, I’d add that most people wouldn’t contemplate trying to pass off fake documents in order to take a cruise or fly or go the movies for that matter.  Those who suggest that this sort of behaviour may become widespread have a depressingly low opinion of others.

[time4u2go]

On 1/24/2021 at 11:30 AM, ROYAL CARIBBEAN DUDE said:

How do you feel about the new rules that have been displayed on Quantum?

 

• Tracelets
• Limited time in the pools
• Limited tables for dining
• Temperature checks
• Limited seating in the theatre
• Muster 2.0
• 1 metre social distancing
• Covid testing before and after the cruise

 

Too strict, or fair?

 

 

Am I the only one that actually likes some of these rules?

 

Tracelets - I'm guessing that's a bracelet for tracking/tracing?  A little uncomfortable, but not a big deal.

 

Limited time in the pools - I realize some people spend a lot of time in the pools, but I don't, so not a big deal to me either way.  Not sure what is meant by "limited time" anyway.

 

Limited tables for dining - yes, please!  To me, the MDR has gotten too crowded/hectic anyway.  I would welcome a more peaceful dining experience.

 

Temperature checks - again, not a big deal.  To me, this is like getting the little squirt of hand sanitizer on the way into the MDR. It may take a little longer, but I presume there would be less people onboard anyway, at least for a while.

 

Limited seating in the theatre - I consider this another plus.  Less people to have to climb over!

 

Muster 2.0 - from what's been described for this, I think most people would want this.

 

Covid testing before and after the cruise - probably my biggest negative, but not that big of a deal if it means cruising.

 

Some people have mentioned masking in this thread, but it's not in this list.

[ace2542]

6 hours ago, CaroleSS said:

"How is that legal?"

 

It only counts if you come to the US legally. All the illegals coming to the US will not have to test negative or show proof of vaccination to enter.

 

Maybe we should all just claim "asylum"!

To my understanding. A U.S citizen can walk in across the Mexican border in an unwalled section and enter the country. If discovered they have done this I don't think they would face a charge of illegally re-entering their own country?.

[ReneeFLL]

11 hours ago, jean87510 said:

Many of us in the medical field value our licenses and our profession and would not jeopardize either to fake documents for a vacation.  You obviously don't know much about people in the medical profession.  

Maybe not all, but I wouldn’t be surprised if some did. There are some people that will do what ever it takes to go on a vacation. I know you flew to the Bahamas and now plan on going to Cozumel. Being a nurse dealing with the pediatric dept I’m surprised you would take such risks. Wearing masks isn’t fool proof. Considering you had fellow nurses come down with covid who’s to say you haven’t  been asymptomatic and could’ve spread it?  I guess some people prefer to try to keep the numbers down and will go out of their way to do so and some do the opposite. 
 

10 hours ago, d9704011 said:

I’m not, nor have I ever been, in the medical profession.  In addition to what you’ve said, I’d add that most people wouldn’t contemplate trying to pass off fake documents in order to take a cruise or fly or go the movies for that matter.  Those who suggest that this sort of behaviour may become widespread have a depressingly low opinion of others.

No, not with what people have been doing since covid. For some people it’s all about me, me, me. 🙄  Maybe a dr or someone like that wouldn’t, but there are MANY people that work in the medical field. 

Edited January 29, 2021 by ReneeFLL

[ReneeFLL]

5 hours ago, ace2542 said:

To my understanding. A U.S citizen can walk in across the Mexican border in an unwalled section and enter the country. If discovered they have done this I don't think they would face a charge of illegally re-entering their own country?.

Since I have no interest in leaving the country right now I don’t know the answer to that one. Try google and see what you find out.

[CaroleSS]

5 hours ago, ace2542 said:

To my understanding. A U.S citizen can walk in across the Mexican border in an unwalled section and enter the country. If discovered they have done this I don't think they would face a charge of illegally re-entering their own country?.

For the US (or any country for that matter) to have stringent requirements for people arriving into the county......to prove that they have been vaccinated, to prove that they are COVID negative, to require a 14 day quarantine......yet let anyone from another country to waltz across the boarder with no documentation of anything....with welcoming arms.....is a sad state of affairs. Those who travel and are required to prove their "status" yet illegals are not, is a slap in the face to everyone who is trying to stay safe in this pandemic.

[CaroleSS]

My point in this is that the "legal" travelers are being forced into proving that they are not bringing disease to another country. To travel, you must subject yourself to testing, temperature checks, tracking and proof of vaccination. 
 

Those who are trying to come to the US (and other countries) illegally are not being forced to comply with the same standards, which put the rest of us at risk. They bring a myriad of diseases with them, COVID being only one. Why should we not ask that anyone entering a country - any country - be asked to abide by the same rules?
 

I doubt that Caribbean countries want cruisers to bring disease with them, thus they should be allowed to determine who can and cannot enter their country. Those who cannot prove that they are not bringing disease with them should not be allowed entrance......regardless of the reason.

 

JMHO

[Coralc]

On 1/26/2021 at 4:24 PM, ReneeFLL said:

Vineyards are nice. 

 

LOL.  Wineries are nice.  (Is that what you meant?) Vineyards aren't much different than walking around in an orchard or field of gladiolas. And they use a lot of pesticides.  

[Coralc]

7 hours ago, ace2542 said:

To my understanding. A U.S citizen can walk in across the Mexican border in an unwalled section and enter the country. If discovered they have done this I don't think they would face a charge of illegally re-entering their own country?.

 

Most of the unwalled sections are out in the middle of nowhere. Sure, a US citizen could probably walk back & forth all day long and no one would care. But since there is really nothing in the vicinity on the other side, there is really no point. 

 

People that enter illegally need to have transportation to elsewhere, or they sometimes expire in the desert. And most of the undocumented workers here in CA are catching Covid here, because they frequently live in congregate housing situations.  Food & agriculture employees are being vaccinated currently. 

Edited January 29, 2021 by Coralc

[Iamcruzin]

12 hours ago, d9704011 said:

I’m not, nor have I ever been, in the medical profession.  In addition to what you’ve said, I’d add that most people wouldn’t contemplate trying to pass off fake documents in order to take a cruise or fly or go the movies for that matter.  Those who suggest that this sort of behaviour may become widespread have a depressingly low opinion of others.

This is  based on all of those who purchased emotional support animal documentation kits on Amazon in order to travel with pets and not have to pay any fee to the airlines or other travel industry businesses that would normally charge a fee for a pet.

[ReneeFLL]

1 hour ago, Coralc said:

 

LOL.  Wineries are nice.  (Is that what you meant?) Vineyards aren't much different than walking around in an orchard or field of gladiolas. And they use a lot of pesticides.  

 😁 Yes. When we lived in the Silicon Valley area we would go to the wineries and had so much fun. Beautiful areas.
 

22 minutes ago, Iamcruzin said:

This is  based on all of those who purchased emotional support animal documentation kits on Amazon in order to travel with pets and not have to pay any fee to the airlines or other travel industry businesses that would normally charge a fee for a pet.

Thanks, I was going to post this but didn’t bother. There are to many people who think they are above the rules or just don’t care about others. Sometimes I wonder how they were raised. What’s even worse is when they put Fluffy in a stroller and have them at the dining table. So disrespectful and gross.

Edited January 29, 2021 by ReneeFLL

[pcur]

The point I didn't explain very well pages and pages ago on this thread is:

 

Even when you are double vaccinated and have all your immunities, YOU CAN STILL CARRY AND TRANSMIT THE VIRUS, but you won't get sick from it. So, we can all exchange the virus if we are not masked, and then carry it home to infect non-vaccinated people or children.

 

That's why even with a vaccinated person, masks should be used in close or crowded rooms until full herd immunity is reached.

[SherriZ366]

On 1/26/2021 at 1:44 PM, vacationlover_mn said:

New rules is part of the reason I picked a GS for next year- if masks are required when lounging, I’ll just lounge on my comfy balcony 🙂. Lounging with an ocean view is half the reason I cruise 🙂

And we have JSs booked for the same reason -- pre-COVID I always spent most of my time on the balcony so I'll do it post-COVID.  

Edited January 29, 2021 by SherriZ366

[jean87510]

8 hours ago, ReneeFLL said:

Maybe not all, but I wouldn’t be surprised if some did. There are some people that will do what ever it takes to go on a vacation. I know you flew to the Bahamas and now plan on going to Cozumel. Being a nurse dealing with the pediatric dept I’m surprised you would take such risks. Wearing masks isn’t fool proof. Considering you had fellow nurses come down with covid who’s to say you haven’t  been asymptomatic and could’ve spread it?  I guess some people prefer to try to keep the numbers down and will go out of their way to do so and some do the opposite. 
 

No, not with what people have been doing since covid. For some people it’s all about me, me, me. 🙄  Maybe a dr or someone like that wouldn’t, but there are MANY people that work in the medical 

After this I am definitely canceling my vacation because I didn't realize that 1.  Id be tempted to fake a covid test 2. even after 3 covid tests, quarantining for 10 days post and 2 doses of moderna plus PPE Id be exposing children.  3.  I should vacation in a vineyard because its definitely proven to be safer traveling in the US especially a place where you can taste test.   Where would I be without the keyboard quasi doctors of Cruise Critic??? 

Edited January 29, 2021 by jean87510

[hallux]

6 hours ago, pcur said:

Even when you are double vaccinated and have all your immunities, YOU CAN STILL CARRY AND TRANSMIT THE VIRUS, but you won't get sick from it. So, we can all exchange the virus if we are not masked, and then carry it home to infect non-vaccinated people or children.

I'm sure we'll have studies come out on this, but I wonder for how long we can transmit the virus after having been exposed after vaccination...

[Ocean Boy]

22 hours ago, jean87510 said:

Many of us in the medical field value our licenses and our profession and would not jeopardize either to fake documents for a vacation.  You obviously don't know much about people in the medical profession.  

I have to say that I really didn't understand where the comment that you are referring to came from. I think people involved with medicine have more integrity than to falsify records and risks our careers and reputations.