Bruin Steve Posted February 13, 2020 #276 Share Posted February 13, 2020 (edited) 1 hour ago, oceangoer2 said: no...not "of the generation" who opted out, smoked up, wasted several years of their life, and now some are on the streets in their older age wondering how it happened. Yes, early motherhood of 2 had me very busy...didn't much care for the drug generation but did love music and dancing. Worked in our favour when I look at some of the friends who indulged...their kids had problems too as a result of lifestyle. And I hardly think it's about Alice....guess"one pill makes you small, etc" escaped you if you listened to the music. What have the lyrics got to do with cruising I ask again. Pretty girl, flighty commercial, weak story description, haunting melody...change the channel whenever it comes on so they got the opposite result with us. Loved Captain Kate and the pretty girl waking up from her 'dream'? Of course, I know a lot of people of my generation who enjoyed themselves a bit in their younger days...and they're now lawyers and judges...even some politicians--in BOTH major US parties... as well as tech and wall street billionaires...and successful in all facets of life... And I've also seen lots of women who dropped away from that due to "early motherhood", pretty much ruining their educational and career opportunities, have lived lives in relative poverty, or at best, working class making it from day-to-day...and THEIR kids have had a load of problems due to that lifestyle... Of course, none of that really has anything to do with music...You didn't have to be into drugs to appreciate that song...or many of the other great songs of the era that may or may not have to do with drugs...or any other subject for that matter. A great song is a great song...and "White Rabbit" IS a great song. These are the lyrics: "One pill makes you larger And one pill makes you small And the ones that mother gives you Don't do anything at all Go ask Alice When she's ten feet tall And if you go chasing rabbits And you know you're going to fall Tell 'em a hookah-smoking caterpillar Has given you the call Call Alice When she was just small When the men on the chessboard Get up and tell you where to go And you've just had some kind of mushroom And your mind is moving low Go ask Alice I think she'll know When logic and proportion Have fallen sloppy dead And the White Knight is talking backwards And the Red Queen's off with her head Remember what the dormouse said Feed your head Feed your head" Have you ever actually read Alice in Wonderland? The lyrics of White Rabbit are actually pretty descriptive of the book. You can read whatever you want or don't want into it. If the song is about drugs to you, then so must the book be...and Wizard of Oz...and lots of other children's literature. I suppose you are of that group that wants to ban or burn books? I'd like to think that any work of art can be interpreted to mean different things in different contexts. In the context of cruising, it's a dream, a fantasy, a state of wonder. I have better things to do than get bent out of shape over what some ad agency or company chooses to use as background music for its ads. There was some commercial on TV running over the last year or so that used the late, great Warren Zevon's "Werewolves of London" as background music...they actually just used the music and left out the lyrics altogether--what a pity--that's one of my favorite songs ever... Heck, Microsoft used the Stones' "Start Me Up" in one of their ads...You know what that song is about? Royal Caribbean used Iggy Pop's "Lust for Life" in their ads a few years back...And people got bent out of shape about that one as well...Some sample lyrics: "Here comes Johnny Yen again With the liquor and drugsAnd the flesh machine..." Yup...another song about drugs...People were up in arms. Of course, they probably never listened through the whole song until the end...where it goes:"...Yeah I'm through with sleeping on theSidewalk - no more beating my brainsNo more beating my brainsWith the liquor and drugs"... Gee, sounds to me like a song about someone wanting to NOT take drugs... And, of course, neither the drugs nor the positive message was the reason Royal Caribbean used it. They used it because it's a great song...with a great, memorable hook that's catchy on TV ads where they have 30 seconds to gain and memorialize your interest... Edited February 13, 2020 by Bruin Steve 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rugerdog Posted February 13, 2020 #277 Share Posted February 13, 2020 34 minutes ago, Bruin Steve said: A great song is a great song...and "White Rabbit" IS a great song. Agree. In the last couple of weeks this commercial is being shown much more frequently, along with adverts from several other lines. I'm guessing this is due to wave season, together with the current virus situation bringing negative publicity. Regardless, I love the song, and I love the advert itself. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kelmac Posted February 13, 2020 #278 Share Posted February 13, 2020 44 minutes ago, Bruin Steve said: A great song is a great song...and "White Rabbit" IS a great song. B Steve, I agree 100%. A great song and an excellent ad. Genius, as a matter of fact -- people watch it and can't stop talking about it. And everyone knows it's a Celebrity Ad. Marketing home run!! Enjoy! Kel😉 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oceangoer2 Posted February 13, 2020 #279 Share Posted February 13, 2020 46 minutes ago, Bruin Steve said: Of course, I know a lot of people of my generation who enjoyed themselves a bit in their younger days...and they're now lawyers and judges...even some politicians--in BOTH major US parties... as well as tech and wall street billionaires...and successful in all facets of life... And I've also seen lots of women who dropped away from that due to "early motherhood", pretty much ruining their educational and career opportunities, have lived lives in relative poverty, or at best, working class making it from day-to-day...and THEIR kids have had a load of problems due to that lifestyle... Of course, none of that really has anything to do with music...You didn't have to be into drugs to appreciate that song...or many of the other great songs of the era that may or may not have to do with drugs...or any other subject for that matter. A great song is a great song...and "White Rabbit" IS a great song. These are the lyrics: "One pill makes you larger And one pill makes you small And the ones that mother gives you Don't do anything at all Go ask Alice When she's ten feet tall And if you go chasing rabbits And you know you're going to fall Tell 'em a hookah-smoking caterpillar Has given you the call Call Alice When she was just small When the men on the chessboard Get up and tell you where to go And you've just had some kind of mushroom And your mind is moving low Go ask Alice I think she'll know When logic and proportion Have fallen sloppy dead And the White Knight is talking backwards And the Red Queen's off with her head Remember what the dormouse said Feed your head Feed your head" Have you ever actually read Alice in Wonderland? The lyrics of White Rabbit are actually pretty descriptive of the book. You can read whatever you want or don't want into it. If the song is about drugs to you, then so must the book be...and Wizard of Oz...and lots of other children's literature. I suppose you are of that group that wants to ban or burn books? I'd like to think that any work of art can be interpreted to mean different things in different contexts. In the context of cruising, it's a dream, a fantasy, a state of wonder. I have better things to do than get bent out of shape over what some ad agency or company chooses to use as background music for its ads. There was some commercial on TV running over the last year or so that used the late, great Warren Zevon's "Werewolves of London" as background music...they actually just used the music and left out the lyrics altogether--what a pity--that's one of my favorite songs ever... Heck, Microsoft used the Stones' "Start Me Up" in one of their ads...You know what that song is about? Royal Caribbean used Iggy Pop's "Lust for Life" in their ads a few years back...And people got bent out of shape about that one as well...Some sample lyrics: "Here comes Johnny Yen again With the liquor and drugsAnd the flesh machine..." Yup...another song about drugs...People were up in arms. Of course, they probably never listened through the whole song until the end...where it goes:"...Yeah I'm through with sleeping on theSidewalk - no more beating my brainsNo more beating my brainsWith the liquor and drugs"... Gee, sounds to me like a song about someone wanting to NOT take drugs... And, of course, neither the drugs nor the positive message was the reason Royal Caribbean used it. They used it because it's a great song...with a great, memorable hook that's catchy on TV ads where they have 30 seconds to gain and memorialize your interest... I take your point(s) and the subtle suggestion: "And I've also seen lots of women who dropped away from that due to "early motherhood", pretty much ruining their educational and career opportunities, have lived lives in relative poverty, or at best, working class making it from day-to-day...and THEIR kids have had a load of problems due to that lifestyle"... ....LOL, Quite a lengthy defense of a 'commercial'....hit a nerve did I? No judgement on my part re drugs interfering with one's success, just have seen SOME who didn't fare well in life with a direct connection to 'early drug use'. And also some who have lived a life OF success not using drugs, whether attributable to that or not...or just good judgement all along life's highway. Lucky me in choices made, working, mothering, AND going to school after DH graduated, while trying to provide some example to the 'kids'. Still don't like the song with obvious drug references. I agree with the person who is trying to counsel young people involved in the 'scene'. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jkgourmet Posted February 25, 2020 #280 Share Posted February 25, 2020 (edited) (Forgive me if this has been discussed before. I don't get over to this board too often.) White Rabbit (aka Go Ask Alice) is well known as being strongly related to taking drugs. Read the lyrics. In fact, Grace Slick admits she wrote it during or right after an LSD trip. I'm guessing that this brilliant bit of marketing was thought up by some 23 year old advertising agency executive. Edited February 27, 2020 by Host Kat Threads merged. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rare cruisestitch Posted February 25, 2020 #281 Share Posted February 25, 2020 Yes it has been discussed. Multiple threads were merged and now this post probably will be, too. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
volk904 Posted February 25, 2020 #282 Share Posted February 25, 2020 I don’t see any issue with the short ad. Seems like they are just trying to show Eden in a different light. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
helen haywood Posted February 25, 2020 #283 Share Posted February 25, 2020 Because X is assuming the young cruisers they are targeting will have no idea who Jefferson Airplane or Grace Slick are... 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bEwAbG Posted February 25, 2020 #284 Share Posted February 25, 2020 Here is a link to the existing thread. Not much that can be added that wasn't already said in the 270-odd replies of that one. It's been airing for a little over five months. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nstrawn Posted February 25, 2020 #285 Share Posted February 25, 2020 5 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
davekathy Posted February 25, 2020 #286 Share Posted February 25, 2020 (edited) 2 hours ago, jkgourmet said: (Forgive me if this has been discussed before. Yes it has many times and there is absolutely nothing wrong with the add. Rock on Jefferson Airplane. ☮️ Edited February 25, 2020 by davekathy 9 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kelmac Posted February 25, 2020 #287 Share Posted February 25, 2020 Great song and great ad. 8 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rare hcat Posted February 25, 2020 #288 Share Posted February 25, 2020 Old news...search feature will reveal sev threads! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
George C Posted February 25, 2020 #289 Share Posted February 25, 2020 I love the song, we just got off infinity music cruise and Jefferson Starship played it, new lead so Nigeria did a great job on it. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frenchkona Posted February 25, 2020 #290 Share Posted February 25, 2020 That pretty much answers your question, as immature as it was. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rare markeb Posted February 25, 2020 #291 Share Posted February 25, 2020 I guess I wasn't perusing the boards when the ad came out. Did no one on Cruise Critic ever read Alice's Adventures in Wonderland? It doesn't matter that Grace probably wrote it on a trip. Other than the last line, which becomes the title of a book YEARS later, it's a perfect summary of Alice's Adventures in Wonderland. As is the ad... The weirdness everyone sees in the ad isn't an acid trip; that's Lewis Carroll's imagination (although there were some pretty scary herbs/drugs/etc. imported into Victorian England). 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dkjretired Posted February 25, 2020 #292 Share Posted February 25, 2020 As I’m reading this and watching HGTV, the commercial came on. Maybe they should make Grace Slick the godmother of Beyond. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jkgourmet Posted February 25, 2020 #293 Share Posted February 25, 2020 52 minutes ago, Frenchkona said: That pretty much answers your question, as immature as it was. Immature????? WTH? I lived and participated in the days of sex, drugs and rock 'n roll. "White Rabbit" was like the national anthem for those people. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frenchkona Posted February 25, 2020 #294 Share Posted February 25, 2020 Can’t find my way home. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Schmoe38 Posted February 25, 2020 #295 Share Posted February 25, 2020 It’s really getting frustrating reading new threads covering topics that have been beaten into submission many times before. It’s not enough to tell someone to use the search function if they do not know the search function exists. Not everyone knows all of the ins and outs of what Cruise Critic has to offer, so perhaps the more experienced cruisers can help out by not answering duplicate threads over and over, but rather helping to educate others so that the number of these duplicate threads may be reduced over time. I know we are all anxious to help out wherever we can, and I applaud all those who contribute to the success of this website. If we re-focus and channel our efforts at education, perhaps we will see increased success. Just a thought 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alakegirl Posted February 25, 2020 #296 Share Posted February 25, 2020 Hit the flag button, report duplicate content threads and when one of the volunteer moderators has time, the threads will probably be merged Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ScubesDad Posted February 26, 2020 #297 Share Posted February 26, 2020 17 hours ago, dkjretired said: As I’m reading this and watching HGTV, the commercial came on. Maybe they should make Grace Slick the godmother of Beyond. That even sounds appropriate..... Beyond, the rabbit hole Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ScubesDad Posted February 26, 2020 #298 Share Posted February 26, 2020 17 hours ago, jkgourmet said: Immature????? WTH? I lived and participated in the days of sex, drugs and rock 'n roll. "White Rabbit" was like the national anthem for those people. That is very true. recently our 36 yr old son heard the commercial and made a comment as to now he knows why we sail with Celebrity........ 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ScubesDad Posted February 26, 2020 #299 Share Posted February 26, 2020 15 hours ago, Schmoe38 said: It’s really getting frustrating reading new threads covering topics that have been beaten into submission many times before. . . . Just a thought You don't have to read the thread, you can skip over it...... Just a thought. 2 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sippican Posted February 26, 2020 #300 Share Posted February 26, 2020 (edited) Because the song gets people talking about it over, and over, and over ............. (even the whiners who are complaining about the duplication are playing right into their hands, lol! ) Smart marketing! Edited February 26, 2020 by sippican 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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