Pack our Bags- VP Pence overrules CDC Guidelines

[Linda the Book Lover]

 

[ninjacat123]

Thanks for posting!

[Saint Greg]

[Joe817]

That's the first good news I've heard in a looonnnnngggggg time!  Thanks for posting Linda! 👍

[BlerkOne]

1 hour ago, Linda the Book Lover said:

 

 

Exactly what changed as a result of the meeting?

[coevan]

Cruising is up to the cruise lines, not the White House. 

[Cruiseboy06]

The CDC still could extend the no sail order....    No way the cruise lines aka Carnival will be ready by Nov 1st..

[evandbob]

I'll wait a bit......health before vacation......let's see what happens when cruising resumes, I'm not looking to be a test crash dummy.

[hurricane0226]

Hopefully make our cruise Nov 21st.

[knight2096]

2 minutes ago, hurricane0226 said:

Hopefully make our cruise Nov 21st.

I'm one that will be cheering for you!

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54 minutes ago, Cruiseboy06 said:

The CDC still could extend the no sail order....    No way the cruise lines aka Carnival will be ready by Nov 1st..

What type of insider information do you have as an employee of Carnival to suggest the cruise line will not be ready on November 1 for a return to cruising on a limited number of ships from a limited number of ports? Curious.

[knight2096]

54 minutes ago, evandbob said:

I'll wait a bit......health before vacation......let's see what happens when cruising resumes, I'm not looking to be a test crash dummy.

You are right and I agree with you 100 percent. If you do not feel safe sailing then you should definitely without a doubt stay home, for the rest of us bon voyage.

[geovet]

Cruise ships are all close by.  Hopefully with a crew and ready to go.

 

https://www.marinevesseltraffic.com/vessels/CARNIVAL-BREEZE/CURRENT-POSITION/9555723/354842000

[jimbo5544]

Be interesting to see what happens.  Politics aside, there is and has been significant evidence that if done right, cruising can work.  The cruise industry has submitted a comprehensive plan to mitigate the virus.  Cruising in Europe has PROVEN that a plan can work,  IF the WH says go, the CDC will capitulate.  

[BlerkOne]

Much ado about nothing.... Nothing changed.

 

https://www.whitehouse.gov/briefings-statements/readout-vice-presidents-call-u-s-cruise-industry/?utm_source=facebook&fbclid=IwAR2bybt-fIqvQtlc2QapbloG-nE_6XL9dHE5JF6QnyleIvlpQzu_jp0TwuM

[Cruiseboy06]

8 minutes ago, BlerkOne said:

Much ado about nothing.... Nothing changed.

 

https://www.whitehouse.gov/briefings-statements/readout-vice-presidents-call-u-s-cruise-industry/?utm_source=facebook&fbclid=IwAR2bybt-fIqvQtlc2QapbloG-nE_6XL9dHE5JF6QnyleIvlpQzu_jp0TwuM

 

 

 

Expect Cancellations for November  jmo..   It sounds like the CDC still has the control of decisions of no sail orders, maybe getting reviewed by the White House's task force.

[broberts]

2 hours ago, knight2096 said:

Plenty of scientists agree with the current administration and I think this is good news!

 

If any of these "scirntists" have professional qualifications in dealing with epidemic and pandemic outbreaks would you please provide links to their written concurrence. I ask because none of the specialists employed by various levels of government seem to agree.

[Raxter54]

48 minutes ago, broberts said:

 

If any of these "scirntists" have professional qualifications in dealing with epidemic and pandemic outbreaks would you please provide links to their written concurrence. I ask because none of the specialists employed by various levels of government seem to agree.

Here ya go.....

https://gbdeclaration.org/

[d9704011]

5 minutes ago, Raxter54 said:

Here ya go.....

https://gbdeclaration.org/

I read the Declaration and don’t see where the signatories support a return to cruising.

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1 hour ago, Cruiseboy06 said:

 

 

 

Expect Cancellations for November  jmo..   It sounds like the CDC still has the control of decisions of no sail orders, maybe getting reviewed by the White House's task force.

Can you help me understand your reasoning? I’m still curious what insider information you have as a Carnival employee to suggest we won’t be able to cruise in November. You keep saying we won’t but the cruise line is saying we will. November is right around the corner.

 

Thanks,

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[Trueblueky]

Lots of people who can say no.

CLIA, I think

CDC for ships leaving US ports

Probably some other US agencies (DOT?)

Foreign ports, some of which have not approved the return of cruise ships

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21 minutes ago, Trueblueky said:

Lots of people who can say no.

CLIA, I think

CDC for ships leaving US ports

Probably some other US agencies (DOT?)

Foreign ports, some of which have not approved the return of cruise ships

CLIA can only recommend 😉 

[chengkp75]

Sounds like a lot of nothing being said.  Noticed that HHS and CDC mentioned that the cruise lines would have to "backstop" their operations, which I take to mean still requiring private health care, transportation services, and quarantine facilities on shore, which has been the major sticking point all along.

 

Very funny that Pence mentioned the goal of "reopening the maritime economy", when it has never been shut down, only the 5% of the industry represented by the cruise industry.  Goes to show how aware he is of maritime issues.

 

And, the cruise line executives stressed that their initiatives will keep cruise ship passengers in a "safe and healthy environment", but don't mention anything about dealing with further spread to the general population from a ship.

 

I also don't see anywhere where Pence overruled the CDC guidelines, he merely thanked the cruise lines for submitting their advisory board's report.

Edited October 10, 2020 by chengkp75

[kona_wahine]

Until you can go into the ports unaccompanied I have no desire to cruise.

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16 minutes ago, chengkp75 said:

Sounds like a lot of nothing being said.  Noticed that HHS and CDC mentioned that the cruise lines would have to "backstop" their operations, which I take to mean still requiring private health care, transportation services, and quarantine facilities on shore, which has been the major sticking point all along.

 

Very funny that Pence mentioned the goal of "reopening the maritime economy", when it has never been shut down, only the 5% of the industry represented by the cruise industry.  Goes to show how aware he is of maritime issues.

 

And, the cruise line executives stressed that their initiatives will keep cruise ship passengers in a "safe and healthy environment", but don't mention anything about dealing with further spread to the general population from a ship.

 

I also don't see anywhere where Pence overruled the CDC guidelines, he merely thanked the cruise lines for submitting their advisory board's report.

Thanks for the summary and your explanation of what happened. Much appreciated as always!