Magic Carpet dining stopped

[Oville]

Reading post 3 by  jelayne who is currently on the Edge, it doesn’t sound like the Facebook posting is accurate.  We’ll be on Edge next week and it will be interesting to see if MC has actually been scrapped.

[upwarduk]

I’ve been saying all along that I think the MC needs to be counterbalanced and I’ve been criticised. I wouldn’t like to be on a TA ( especially an autumn one) on the Edge.

[DYKWIA]

23 minutes ago, MJSailors said:

Why did someone not speak up about the MC innovation ?

Remember the story of The Emperor’s New Clothes where all the king’ s men did not say a word even though the Emperor was being duped by unscrupulous tailors ?  They claimed they were making a new wardrobe for the Emperor while they were making imaginary clothes,but had the Emperor convinced of his magnificent outfit all the while he was walking about in his underclothes.

Seems to me that there had to be someone involved in the design process that saw the failings of the MC design, but might have been hesitant to voice concerns because others were so hung-ho about the design.

If someone did voice such an opinion, that person deserves a promotion.

 

The MC destroys the symmetry of the ship, that was evident 2 years ago and was always going to be controversial.  That should have been enough to make the powers that be think twice. As others have said, they must have designed it so it can be removed at the first Dry Dock

Edited January 16, 2019 by DYKWIA

[MJSailors]

Hello. villauk !

I am from eastern Long Island,NY about 100 miles from NYC.

I suppose my teaching career,elementary grades and as a reading specialist , was showing in that analogy.

Small world, or perhaps,great minds think alike ! 😉

[CHEZMARYLOU]

I've had food blow off the plate on the fan tail.  How did they not see this coming?

[kearney]

On 1/15/2019 at 9:09 AM, vtcruising said:

That was my understanding too. They have to plan around the weather (don't schedule for each cruise until close to the date so they have an idea of the weather and then cancel, if needed). They said Apex will be better designed so that it will supposedly not be as much of an issue.

 

If they had listened to people on the Edge Forum a year ago, they would have done it correctly on the Edge! 😉

VT I remember months of discussion about this back many months ago. Remember discussing during trials... if they would be setting conditions for when they could use it... and the risks of things flying off the ship..not a good look for this company telling us not to toss anything overboard...  So this was expected... but I am surprised that they could not use the MC for tendering in Grand Cayman.... Most or our cruises to Cayman were cancelled due to high winds... making tendering difficult/dangerous.... I wonder if they should have been tendering at all. This was the key reason for the MC to begin with... if they end up using the old fashioned ...jump into the tender.... why have this thing at all. It does look cool in port when it is all lit up. I hope they figure this out...

[kearney]

23 minutes ago, upwarduk said:

I’ve been saying all along that I think the MC needs to be counterbalanced and I’ve been criticised. I wouldn’t like to be on a TA ( especially an autumn one) on the Edge.

I agree

[hcat]

22 minutes ago, MJSailors said:

Hello. villauk !

I am from eastern Long Island,NY about 100 miles from NYC.

I suppose my teaching career,elementary grades and as a reading specialist , was showing in that analogy.

Small world, or perhaps,great minds think alike ! 😉

How far East?  We are in Holbrook area near the airport .

[kearney]

2 hours ago, floridatravelersforlife said:

Just disconnect the utilities and let the damn thing drop down into Davy Jones Locker.

 

As a grey beard, I called it last year with the wind.  The MC roof acts like an airfoil and turbulent air currents are developing inside the structure.   Basic airfoil dynamics.  

 

 

I remember your posts on "Edge Blocks in the House" thread.... I have wondered about this... seems to me over time the constant buffeting by the wind would cause more and more noise as weaker parts of the structure loosen.... And I wonder about whether the mechanism that raises and lowers it would become somewhat corroded from salt exposure making it squeak as it moves.. sure not now...but say after a year or so. I really wonder about the thought process... 

Perhaps they should have put it on the aft of the ship and it could be a platform for water skiing or scuba in Labadee... then they could charge $$ 🙂 I kid for anyone thinking I am serious... but if it can't work consistently as a tender platform...why have it.

[hcat]

2 minutes ago, kearney said:

VT I remember months of discussion about this back many months ago. Remember discussing during trials... if they would be setting conditions for when they could use it... and the risks of things flying off the ship..not a good look for this company telling us not to toss anything overboard...  So this was expected... but I am surprised that they could not use the MC for tendering in Grand Cayman.... Most or our cruises to Cayman were cancelled due to high winds... making tendering difficult/dangerous.... I wonder if they should have been tendering at all. This was the key reason for the MC to begin with... if they end up using the old fashioned ...jump into the tender.... why have this thing at all. It does look cool in port when it is all lit up. I hope they figure this out...

It was concerning when early reviews  and (photos ) said there were long lines to use the new tenders..and  that excursion guests were taken to another portal for transport by local tenders!

 

Wonder why  tendering was  so backed up.?  The early PR bragged about how many could be loaded and transported onto these luxurious tenders quickly  They even had a little  demo movie

 

[yorky]

2 hours ago, DYKWIA said:

 

Celebrity have just released the latest pictures of the final design for Apex

 

If only, handsome looking ship

[MJSailors]

2 minutes ago, hcat said:

How far East?  We are in Holbrook area near the airport .

We are on the North Fork, past Riverhead.

It takes us about an hour to get to McArthur airport.

That is the thing about living on the East End.

It always takes us time to get anywhere !

For example, we sailed on the Summit from Bayonne this pastSummer.

We stayed overnight in Staten Island for our travel comfort !

Not trying to hijack this thread so I will say that I am not impressed by the Edge design or modern concepts ie Eden.

We did like the Summit and hope the drydock lifts her decor but does not involve any of the Edge “innovation”.

[boscobeans]

2 hours ago, DYKWIA said:

 

Celebrity have just released the latest pictures of the final design for Apex

 

 

If this is an accurate rendition it looks like the new vertical bow, the odd stacks that form the X logo as well as the Magic Carpet are out. Can't tell from the artist's rendition if the non-veranda verandas are still in the design.  Just looks like a photo shop job. LOL

[JBare]

53 minutes ago, villauk said:

 

 

Do you know, I can’t believe you posted this analogy as it’s what I’ve been thinking about all along with Edge. Don’t know where you are from in the world, but we are obviously on the same wavelength 😉.

 

Me too, well actually I was thinking of a post called "The Presidents New Veranda" with apologies to Hans Christian Anderson.

That was about the IV but same applies for the MC and of course it was a simple child in that story that pointed out the error in that story, although its been obvious to many who have actually cruised that it can be windy on deck even on nice days.

[boscobeans]

8 minutes ago, JBare said:

 

Me too, well actually I was thinking of a post called "The Presidents New Veranda" with apologies to Hans Christian Anderson.

 

 

Very GOOD.  Perfect analogy....  

 

[MisterBill99]

55 minutes ago, boscobeans said:

 

If this is an accurate rendition it looks like the new vertical bow, the odd stacks that form the X logo as well as the Magic Carpet are out. Can't tell from the artist's rendition if the non-veranda verandas are still in the design.  Just looks like a photo shop job. LOL

 

And once again, it's a doctored photo (of Reflection, apparently).

 

BTW why would artist renderings have tender boats present? Duh. And this is why posting doctored photos is a poor idea, since not everyone gets the "joke".

Edited January 16, 2019 by MisterBill99

[cruisestitch]

I think of the iv as “ The Humpty Dumpty veranda“.  (Remember in Alice in wonderland when Humpty Dumpty said that whenever he used a word it meant just what he wanted it to.)

[Orator]

At one time a representative from Celebrity with the screen name "Celebrity Cruises" would often post on Cruise Critic to answer questions, handle complaints and promote the Celebrity product. With all the negative concerns expressed in this thread I really wish that someone from Celebrity would address the negative observations of posters who have experienced Edge. 

[kearney]

I just noticed something.... Is dining on MC over with, finito, no mas.... OR was it just this cruise? Because as has been noted... it depends upon the weather....  

[jelayne]

There have been numerous complaints about the lack of  bars & particularly bars that were quiet enough to have a drink & conversation.  The Magic Carpet can and is filling that void.  It has been open every afternoon, and last evening we spent some time there having a few drinks.  Don’t know if it was open any other evenings as we didn’t go to 14 on the other 2 nights.  

[vtcruising]

18 minutes ago, jelayne said:

There have been numerous complaints about the lack of  bars & particularly bars that were quiet enough to have a drink & conversation.  The Magic Carpet can and is filling that void.  It has been open every afternoon, and last evening we spent some time there having a few drinks.  Don’t know if it was open any other evenings as we didn’t go to 14 on the other 2 nights.  

We had drinks there a few times at different times of the day and dinner one evening. There was a breeze by the rail, no crabs flying by - we sat toward the hull and there was no wind. It is one of our favorite bars - great, friendly staff and drinks. I realize that it is weather-dependent, but hopefully stays an option (I cruised 7 days and probably was on the MC 4-5 of those days or nights without any issues).

 

 

 

 

[kearney]

I have been reading on facebook that this story is not true that they are still doing dinner on MC. 

Edited January 16, 2019 by kearney

[hcat]

Can someone on board  check this out?

If it is operating do they offer a  refund if wind disrupts the meal?

[C-Dragons]

6 hours ago, TeeRick said:

I was hoping the MC was just a gimmick for Edge and would not be on other E class ships.  Maybe too late for Apex.

The MC is a great platform for loading passengers in to the tenders, in fact two tenders can be loaded simultaneously, which is a great time saver.

Yes, it is too late for Apex. But she will be the only sister ship to Edge.

Beyond is going to be different.

[C-Dragons]

4 hours ago, bigbeergut said:

 

As engineering gray beard that spent a career dealing with many stupid requests, I'll suggest that it's probably pretty easy to remove the magic carpet.  I'll bet the ship was originally designed without the MC and they needed to add things to balance the effect.  I'll bet that if the eliminate the MC they would also delete some other features and save a lot of money.

According to Capt. Costas the weight of the MC is not dependent on any structures or specials features on the ship for counterbalance. The Edge weighs a total of 129,500 tons and the MC weighs 90 tons which the Capt. implied was insignificant. So, you are probably correct that the MC could be “easily” removed. However, personally, I don’t see that happening.