Deployment 2021-22 booking season begins

[geoff2802]

20 minutes ago, MichellePerth said:

I think that mainlanders will have a bad taste in their mouth for Hong Kong for a very long time. They are the main tourist market for Hong Kong.  The final payment date for these cruises just passed. A passenger from Hong Kong has said that they are offering extraordinary prices on spectrum in the local market.  Better to fill the ship at fire sale prices than sail mostly empty.  On voyager in August, they were offering casino patrons a chance to stay on the ship, paying just taxes and gratuities. 

Thanks for sharing this information.  This isn't sustainable and Royal will likely act, at least for future deployments.  

[springaussie]

1 hour ago, MADflyer said:

What indicates that Voyager does not just go to Singapore or Hong Kong during this time period? What leads you to feel that the ship could do a Pacific crossing? 

With no further port bookings in Oz to match the Voyager entries after 10 June 2021 this is where the assumption of a possible Pacific Crossing is coming from.

https://thecatalinaislander.com/guest-column-royal-caribbean-cruise-lines-may-return-to-catalina-island/?fbclid=IwAR0o3GEi3jEcREtggdMBfHX-kd064_1gStcA0uW1ni3zkW-clw-GVe26dYw

 

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Edited October 28, 2019 by springaussie

[Chiliburn]

1 hour ago, geoff2802 said:

Not just due to the civil unrest.  Tourism figures are down sharply and cruise is not immune.   

No announcement from Royal, just speculation on my part.  

 

Qantas reported heavy losses with it Hong Kong itineraries because of the civil unrest.

 Chinese analysts predict it will go on for a long time  because worse has been happening with the Weegers  for decades.

 

Edited October 28, 2019 by Chiliburn

[Ethanol95]

7 minutes ago, Chiliburn said:

Qantas reported heavy losses with it Hong Kong itineraries because of the civil unrest.

 Chinese analysts predict it will go on for a long time  because worse has been happening with the Weegers .

 

Singapore Airlines and Cathay too! Down 21% and 38% decrease respectively. No doubt the cruise industry would be affected too. I'm surprised that plans weren't amended earlier given how long it's been going on for now..

[Chiliburn]

1 hour ago, Ethanol95 said:

Singapore Airlines and Cathay too! Down 21% and 38% decrease respectively. No doubt the cruise industry would be affected too. I'm surprised that plans weren't amended earlier given how long it's been going on for now..

The Chinese government won’t do anything dramatic as it’s being bad mouthed by everyone as it is and historically they have a policy of do nothing and wait.

 

 I don’t think we will see many ships in Hong Kong for a while.

[Phamer55]

In the deployment announcement that Royal Caribbean has published, there is no release date for Mexico or even California coastals.  So it certainly doesn't seem like RCI is bringing a ship to the US west coast to do anything other than Alaska, despite what Catalina Island and Mazatlan hope.

[mugtech]

2 hours ago, MichellePerth said:

I think that mainlanders will have a bad taste in their mouth for Hong Kong for a very long time. They are the main tourist market for Hong Kong.  The final payment date for these cruises just passed. A passenger from Hong Kong has said that they are offering extraordinary prices on spectrum in the local market.  Better to fill the ship at fire sale prices than sail mostly empty.  On voyager in August, they were offering casino patrons a chance to stay on the ship, paying just taxes and gratuities. 

Prices on Quantum 2/24/20 out of Hong Kong have fallen to the point that balconies pp are only $20 more than insides.  Not feeling real good right now about flying into Hong Kong on Sunday, 2/23/20 for the 2/24 cruise.  Glad disembarkation is in Singapore.

[Saab4444]

48 minutes ago, Phamer55 said:

In the deployment announcement that Royal Caribbean has published, there is no release date for Mexico or even California coastals.  So it certainly doesn't seem like RCI is bringing a ship to the US west coast to do anything other than Alaska, despite what Catalina Island and Mazatlan hope.

If they come up with such new itineraries they would not put it on the deployment schedule before...

[MichellePerth]

50 minutes ago, mugtech said:

Prices on Quantum 2/24/20 out of Hong Kong have fallen to the point that balconies pp are only $20 more than insides.  Not feeling real good right now about flying into Hong Kong on Sunday, 2/23/20 for the 2/24 cruise.  Glad disembarkation is in Singapore.

 

51 minutes ago, mugtech said:

Prices on Quantum 2/24/20 out of Hong Kong have fallen to the point that balconies pp are only $20 more than insides.  Not feeling real good right now about flying into Hong Kong on Sunday, 2/23/20 for the 2/24 cruise.  Glad disembarkation is in Singapore.

Normally I fly into a city the morning of, even if it’s very long haul, like Perth to Honolulu or Perth to Barcelona.  This time, due to scheduling, I’m flying in two whole days before, even though it’s bali to Hong Kong.  I considered changing it, but who knows what schedule changes the airlines might make?   If you have a hotel booking that can be changed, you might consider monitoring hotel prices and either upgrading significantly or saving significantly.  Folks on some of my cruises out of Hong Kong have done both, even with non refundable bookings. 

[Phamer55]

7 minutes ago, Saab4444 said:

If they come up with such new itineraries they would not put it on the deployment schedule before...

Do you have an example of a "new itinerary" (i.e. new part of the world) that was announced without giving travel agents advanced noticed about in their deployment schedules?  I've never seen that happen; the whole point is to give travel agents info of when new itineraries are expected to be released.

[mugtech]

5 minutes ago, MichellePerth said:

 

Normally I fly into a city the morning of, even if it’s very long haul, like Perth to Honolulu or Perth to Barcelona.  This time, due to scheduling, I’m flying in two whole days before, even though it’s bali to Hong Kong.  I considered changing it, but who knows what schedule changes the airlines might make?   If you have a hotel booking that can be changed, you might consider monitoring hotel prices and either upgrading significantly or saving significantly.  Folks on some of my cruises out of Hong Kong have done both, even with non refundable bookings. 

Thank you for the tips, we fly in a day early from Manila, less than a 2 hour flight, just care about getting fed and rested for boarding the next day.  Previously spent a week in Hong Kong, not interested in much of anything besides getting on the Quantum ASAP as early as possible that Monday morning. 

[Saab4444]

1 hour ago, Phamer55 said:

Do you have an example of a "new itinerary" (i.e. new part of the world) that was announced without giving travel agents advanced noticed about in their deployment schedules?  I've never seen that happen; the whole point is to give travel agents info of when new itineraries are expected to be released.

All such news anout new deployments have come out with a marketing information by Royal that of course give travel agents and customers an advanced notice to be prepared. However, it never came out as part of the general deployment schedule. 

[shipfriend_max]

10 hours ago, MADflyer said:

I think they had planned something different for Jewel early in the booking season and that there are many bookings. 

 

It seems what is ending up to be the case is that Jewel will return to Dubai and therefor for multiple B2B potential sailings the ship will move from Dubai to Rome to Barcelona to Amsterdam to Copenhagen and on to Stockholm doing a Baltic and a Fjord sailing before settling into Baltic sailings before doing the same in reverse and ending up in Rome prior to the Suez sailing to Dubai for the season. 

 

They of course could just switch ships.  I do not think Amsterdam will have 2 ships for a season at least. But, everything is always subject to change. 

 

I am just wondering why both Brilliance and Jewel are listed for Amsterdam every 12 nights, that could be an indicator for switching the ships. However, from week of 11th of Nov 2019, we should know officially.

 

Further, regaridng Vision and Adventure: Vision is listed at Mediterranean riviera until October, so I don't think she will switch to Bayonne for Canada/NE itineraries in fall 2021, but serving a full Med season.

That provides the possibilities that either Brilliance sails those longer itineraries via Québec, or Adventure again, I assume she's already based in Bayonne in 2021. 

[Biker19]

6 hours ago, mugtech said:

Prices on Quantum 2/24/20 out of Hong Kong have fallen to the point that balconies pp are only $20 more than insides.

Late in the selling cycle, this not unusual, happens on Anthem and Ovation as well (we upgraded from an inside to balcony for $15pp on a 10 night sailing) - sometimes balconies are cheaper than insides - Q class has the highest balcony/inside ratio.

[wl2cruise]

12 hours ago, springaussie said:

With no further port bookings in Oz to match the Voyager entries after 10 June 2021 this is where the assumption of a possible Pacific Crossing is coming from.

https://thecatalinaislander.com/guest-column-royal-caribbean-cruise-lines-may-return-to-catalina-island/?fbclid=IwAR0o3GEi3jEcREtggdMBfHX-kd064_1gStcA0uW1ni3zkW-clw-GVe26dYw

 

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Thats going to Celebrity

 

https://www.debate.com.mx/mazatlan/Regresan-los-Cruceros-Carnival-y-Royal-Caribbean-a-Mazatlan-en-2021-20191023-0329.html

[skiiergirl]

 

13 hours ago, Saab4444 said:

If they come up with such new itineraries they would not put it on the deployment schedule before...

Agree

13 hours ago, Phamer55 said:

Do you have an example of a "new itinerary" (i.e. new part of the world) that was announced without giving travel agents advanced noticed about in their deployment schedules?  I've never seen that happen; the whole point is to give travel agents info of when new itineraries are expected to be released.

 

11 hours ago, Saab4444 said:

All such news anout new deployments have come out with a marketing information by Royal that of course give travel agents and customers an advanced notice to be prepared. However, it never came out as part of the general deployment schedule. 

Royal is famous for not putting info out timely.  There have been numerous occasions where I read info here on CC and pass it on to my TA before RC sends it to her.   She MIGHT get a 24 hour or 20 minute heads up on new releases but most of the time NOT.

RC might announce new ports/itinerary briefly before opening bookings but not much ahead of time.  It can happen....but you can’t count on it!  

I agree the TAs “should be alerted” but it just doesn’t usually happen. 

[springaussie]

6 hours ago, wl2cruise said:

 

Thats going to Celebrity

 

https://www.debate.com.mx/mazatlan/Regresan-los-Cruceros-Carnival-y-Royal-Caribbean-a-Mazatlan-en-2021-20191023-0329.html

Thanks 

[jbethel11]

13 hours ago, Biker19 said:

Late in the selling cycle, this not unusual, happens on Anthem and Ovation as well (we upgraded from an inside to balcony for $15pp on a 10 night sailing) - sometimes balconies are cheaper than insides - Q class has the highest balcony/inside ratio.

Was this a peak season trip?

[Biker19]

7 minutes ago, jbethel11 said:

Was this a peak season trip?

No.

[kafraser78]

Hello everybody,

does anybody know when Royal will post the Hawaii cruises for 2021?

Thanks

[rhuntington3]

http://creative.rccl.com/Sales/Royal/Deployment/2021_2022/19069859_Deployment_Opening_Schedule_20212022.pdf

 

Looks like the week of November 4th.

[AlanF65]

5 minutes ago, kafraser78 said:

Hello everybody,

does anybody know when Royal will post the Hawaii cruises for 2021?

Thanks

 

Week of November 4th

 

 

http://creative.rccl.com/Sales/Royal/Deployment/2021_2022/19069859_Deployment_Opening_Schedule_20212022.pdf

 

http://www.creative.rccl.com/Sales/Royal/Deployment/2020_2021/2020_2021_SUMMARY_GUIDE_FINAL

 

 

 

[AlanF65]

The latest final schedules

http://creative.rccl.com/Sales/Royal/Deployment/2021_2022/19069859_Deployment_Opening_Schedule_20212022.pdf

 

 

Where the ships are

http://www.creative.rccl.com/Sales/Royal/Deployment/2020_2021/2020_2021_SUMMARY_GUIDE_FINAL

 

 

 

[Ethanol95]

Didn't Royal use to release deployment schedules from Jan - April? Why did it move to Nov - Dec? Just wondering..

[Clarea]

21 minutes ago, Ethanol95 said:

Didn't Royal use to release deployment schedules from Jan - April? Why did it move to Nov - Dec? Just wondering..

 

Royal has not publicly relased their reasons for the change.