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[AnnieC]

 

Chris Whitty is saying there will be delays to the vaccine for a while: https://news.sky.com/story/covid-19-chief-medical-officer-chris-whitty-warns-coronavirus-vaccine-shortages-will-last-months-12176673

 

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[Ardennais]

20 minutes ago, AnnieC said:

 

Chris Whitty is saying there will be delays to the vaccine for a while: https://news.sky.com/story/covid-19-chief-medical-officer-chris-whitty-warns-coronavirus-vaccine-shortages-will-last-months-12176673

 

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Rather sobering reading unfortunately. 

[tring]

44 minutes ago, AnnieC said:

 

Chris Whitty is saying there will be delays to the vaccine for a while: https://news.sky.com/story/covid-19-chief-medical-officer-chris-whitty-warns-coronavirus-vaccine-shortages-will-last-months-12176673

 

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23 minutes ago, Ardennais said:

Rather sobering reading unfortunately. 

 

I was about to post the same comment re sobering reading and suggest others go to the link and read the article.

 

So staff leave being cancelled to cope with existing hospitals and Gov seem to think they can open the Nightingales, with no mention how they intend to staff them.  They really need to get the NHS staff protected pronto and make more controls in UK  areas which are badly affected by the virus numbers climbing rapidly.  Clapping was all very well, but practical support needed more than that or many will leave their jobs or end up incapable of continuing, so go off long term sick.  The Christmas plans always looked senseless and must have made things worse than ever.

 

Thanks for the link AnnieC.

 

 

Edited January 1, 2021 by tring

[jeanlyon]

BBC just reporting that 1 million does have  been delivered.  The Astra one will start being given on Wednesday.

Edited January 1, 2021 by jeanlyon

[arlowood]

46 minutes ago, AnnieC said:

 

Chris Whitty is saying there will be delays to the vaccine for a while: https://news.sky.com/story/covid-19-chief-medical-officer-chris-whitty-warns-coronavirus-vaccine-shortages-will-last-months-12176673

 

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Yes it appears that one of the bottlenecks is the availability of the glass vials to package and distribute the vaccines. Appears to be a world wide shortage at the moment.

Think we need some lateral thought on how to circumvent that problem so that the roll out is not logjammed. Maybe some of those entrepreneurs who came up with the alternative Oxygen Ventilator delivery machine way back in March/April last year could turn their collective expertise to solving this issue.

Edited January 1, 2021 by arlowood

[arlowood]

3 minutes ago, jeanlyon said:

BBC just reporting that 1 million does have  been delivered.  The Astra one will start being given on Wednesday.

Yes but is that 1 million doses that can actually be distributed immediately or is that a bulk consignment of 1 million doses that still has to be broken down into vials for distribution. See my post above.

I suspect that there is a lot of figure fudging going on when what we need is actual doses that can be used  being reported - not bulk doses

[zap99]

2 minutes ago, arlowood said:

Yes it appears that one of the bottlenecks is the availability of the glass vials to package and distribute the vaccines. Appears to be a world wide shortage at the moment.

Think we need some lateral thought on how to circumvent that problem so that the roll out is not logjammed. maybe some of those entrepreneurs who came up with the alternative Oxygen Ventilator delivery machine way back in March/April last year could turn their collective expertise to solving this issue.

Some folks will point the finger at No10 for this worldwide issue. Your challenge to industry may prompt some novel solutions. Let's hope so.

[zap99]

1 minute ago, arlowood said:

Yes but is that 1 million doses that can actually be distributed immediately or is that a bulk consignment of 1 million doses that still has to be broken down into vials for distribution. See my post above.

I suspect that there is a lot of figure fudging going on when what we need is actual doses that can be used  being reported - not bulk doses

I think Jean meant delivered into folks arms. Figure I saw this morning was 980k. Tom Jones said on telly last night that he had the jab already as he is 80.

[yorkshirephil]

6 minutes ago, arlowood said:

Yes it appears that one of the bottlenecks is the availability of the glass vials to package and distribute the vaccines. Appears to be a world wide shortage at the moment.

Think we need some lateral thought on how to circumvent that problem so that the roll out is not logjammed. Maybe some of those entrepreneurs who came up with the alternative Oxygen Ventilator delivery machine way back in March/April last year could turn their collective expertise to solving this issue.

It stands to reason that there would be a shortage of vials when millions are required quickly. I am sure that the manufacturers will have been ramping up capacity for several months. However there is a limit to what they can do and how quickly they can adapt depending on the actual requirements. When we were producing sometimes it was the vial cap seals that were in short supply as they are just as specialised as the vials, if not more so. There will be a learning curve here, which sadly won't help too much in the short term.

[WECRUISEUK]

8 minutes ago, yorkshirephil said:

It stands to reason that there would be a shortage of vials when millions are required quickly. I am sure that the manufacturers will have been ramping up capacity for several months. However there is a limit to what they can do and how quickly they can adapt depending on the actual requirements. When we were producing sometimes it was the vial cap seals that were in short supply as they are just as specialised as the vials, if not more so. There will be a learning curve here, which sadly won't help too much in the short term.

I suppose someones got to ask the obviouse,so here goes."Isn't it possible to re-use after going through a specialist cleaning programme?"

[davecttr]

3 hours ago, tring said:

 

It has been said there may be some transmission, yes, but not that people vaccinated WILL be able to transmit it - that is what needs to be accertained and has not been proved either way.

 

Also as I understand it, he Astro Zeneca trial was testing people who were in the trial, so their figures would appear to be the percentage who did not contract the disease, (even on a non symptomatic basis), compared to those in the control group who contracted it.  Pfizer, by comparison, seems to have only tested those who developed covid symptoms, which is a very different thing.

That is how I understand the issue. Also, was it mentioned that we have to behave as if vaccination does not stop you being contagious otherwise people relaxing their guard will cause another spike.

 

Also reported that Sage do not believe that Tier 4 alone will be able to decrease the new COVID variant R to below 1

 

[Ardennais]

24 minutes ago, zap99 said:

I think Jean meant delivered into folks arms. Figure I saw this morning was 980k. Tom Jones said on telly last night that he had the jab already as he is 80.

That will annoy my Dad too! First Prue, now Tom. 

[yorkshirephil]

Just now, Mr.Clive Browne said:

I suppose someones got to ask the obviouse,so here goes."Isn't it possible to re-use after going through a specialist cleaning programme?"

The cost of cleaning is far more expensive than manufacturing and takes longer, the smaller the container the more expensive it becomes. Even though made of glass these products have a short shelf life, some of that is because they are sterile. To clean a vial, prove it is clean, dry it, prove it is dry and then re-sterilise and then pass it through quality control and quality assurance is nigh on impossible. We had a company that took our glassware away for recycling and it cost us a fortune. Cleaning in the pharmaceutical world is almost a swear word. Even manufacturing plants have to be dedicated for some products, which means they sit idle for months on end. It is only a matter of time before the media cotton on to what is happening to the millions of empty vials and start the usual drivel.

[WECRUISEUK]

5 minutes ago, yorkshirephil said:

The cost of cleaning is far more expensive than manufacturing and takes longer, the smaller the container the more expensive it becomes. Even though made of glass these products have a short shelf life, some of that is because they are sterile. To clean a vial, prove it is clean, dry it, prove it is dry and then re-sterilise and then pass it through quality control and quality assurance is nigh on impossible. We had a company that took our glassware away for recycling and it cost us a fortune. Cleaning in the pharmaceutical world is almost a swear word. Even manufacturing plants have to be dedicated for some products, which means they sit idle for months on end. It is only a matter of time before the media cotton on to what is happening to the millions of empty vials and start the usual drivel.

Thanks for the detailed answer,we've got a spare dishwasher in the shed and was going to donate that,never mind,thanks.

[lancashire_cruisers]

Sue don’t be embarrassed, you’re having your jab within the timeframe agreed. Both DH and I are NHS staff and he’s already had his first jab and due to receive his second on Monday.

 

I work for a different Trust and we were told a couple of weeks ago that we would be receiving the Oxford jab for our staff and that we could start vaccinating from either the 4th or 11th Jan. We chose the 11th so that we could ensure that everything was set up correctly in the vaccination hub. 
 

I’ll be having mine as soon as I’m able to but a wee bit miffed I’ll have to wait so long for my second dose - but it is what it is.

[yorkshirephil]

27 minutes ago, Mr.Clive Browne said:

Thanks for the detailed answer,we've got a spare dishwasher in the shed and was going to donate that,never mind,thanks.

I salute you for considering the environmental impact of tons of glass and packaging, not to mention manufacture and transport.

[Adawn47]

3 hours ago, yorkshirephil said:

The cost of cleaning is far more expensive than manufacturing and takes longer, the smaller the container the more expensive it becomes. Even though made of glass these products have a short shelf life, some of that is because they are sterile. To clean a vial, prove it is clean, dry it, prove it is dry and then re-sterilise and then pass it through quality control and quality assurance is nigh on impossible. We had a company that took our glassware away for recycling and it cost us a fortune. Cleaning in the pharmaceutical world is almost a swear word. Even manufacturing plants have to be dedicated for some products, which means they sit idle for months on end. It is only a matter of time before the media cotton on to what is happening to the millions of empty vials and start the usual drivel.

An interesting read Phil. It's something I've obviously never really thought about, but it makes perfect sense.

Avril        

[zap99]

35 minutes ago, Adawn47 said:

An interesting read Phil. It's something I've obviously never really thought about, but it makes perfect sense.

Avril        

Same in many industries. Customers expect recycled material to be cheaper than new. When you mention collection, cleaning,testing etc it becomes clear why it isn't.

[amajaa]

Apart from famous people like Tom Jones does anyone on here actually know anyone that has had the vaccine? I don’t know of anyone around here or on our local Facebook pages

[Angel57]

11 minutes ago, amajaa said:

Apart from famous people like Tom Jones does anyone on here actually know anyone that has had the vaccine? I don’t know of anyone around here or on our local Facebook pages

I know several over 80s from different parts of the country that have had the first jab of the vaccine......

[wowzz]

13 minutes ago, amajaa said:

Apart from famous people like Tom Jones does anyone on here actually know anyone that has had the vaccine? I don’t know of anyone around here or on our local Facebook pages

My mum (94) had her first injection just before Christmas, as have some if her friends . She's waiting to hear if she will have the second jab - she already has been given an appointment date.

[kalos]

7 minutes ago, wowzz said:

My mum (94) had her first injection just before Christmas, as have some if her friends . She's waiting to hear if she will have the second jab - she already has been given an appointment date.

 

I hope your Mum gets her other jab at the agreed appointment Wowzz.

The deal for her was we are giving you your first jab on abc date and your next is xyz date.

Not chopping and changing , they have to finish what they started,

People like us who haven't had the jab , first and second jab 12 weeks apart fine but 

lets not chop and change between jabs . that does not feel right to me. 

[wowzz]

5 minutes ago, kalos said:

 

I hope your Mum gets her other jab at the agreed appointment Wowzz.

The deal for her was we are giving you your first jab on abc date and your next is xyz date.

Not chopping and changing , they have to finish what they started,

People like us who haven't had the jab , first and second jab 12 weeks apart fine but 

lets not chop and change between jabs . that does not feel right to me. 

Thanks for that.

As a matter of interest,  she said that the day after her injection she felt very tired, but other than that she has had no other side effects. 

[Dermotsgirl]

38 minutes ago, amajaa said:

Apart from famous people like Tom Jones does anyone on here actually know anyone that has had the vaccine? I don’t know of anyone around here or on our local Facebook pages

The old girl who lives opposite me had her first jab a couple of weeks ago. She’s in her late 80s 

[zap99]

1 minute ago, Dermotsgirl said:

The old girl who lives opposite me had her first jab a couple of weeks ago. She’s in her late 80s 

Old Girl?. I'm 109 and she sounds a babe to me.🤣