Zaandam and Rotterdam Situation (merged topics starting March 22, 2020)

[BigJohnL]

Looking at the Ft. Lauderdale webcam, you can see a lot of flashing lights/emergency vehicles around terminal 19. I have no idea what they are or what they are doing. Not going to speculate. I just find it interesting.

[Copper10-8]

18 minutes ago, BellKat said:

Just had communication with our friend who was on Zaandam & is now on Rotterdam. He says there has been no official notice to them that they are docking today.

 

FYI - There won't be any "official notice that they are docking today" until Broward County changes the approval from "conditional" to "go for it" so, at this point, no reason to give everyone onboard those two ships more false hope

Edited April 2, 2020 by Copper10-8

[Vict0riann]

2 minutes ago, sansterre said:

http://myfloridalegal.com/webfiles.nsf/WF/MNOS-B9QQ79/$file/SunshineManual.pdf

Unless a meeting was publicly advertised two weeks prior and with an agenda item of 

"Port Everglades disembarkation rules" or something similar,  no vote can be taken.

However, there can be a workshop, where information is imparted and questions and concerned addressed.

The Sunshine Law increases transparency for city and county governments and encourages public participation.  The Sunshine Laws also prevent any discussion of issues between commissioners;  all discussion on a subject is public/in the sunshine!

Surprisingly, they do not apply to State meetings or State legislators.

At that meeting on the 31st, I seem to remember they said they would take a vote on Thursday, and that it would have to be unanimous.  Would that count as "notice"?

[sansterre]

1 minute ago, JVilleGal said:

Surprised the few super Critical Passengers have not already been removed from the ship. In fact I’m disappointed this was not done immediately!

Yes, why not let the Zaandam dock and get those two critical passengers off?  

Do it NOW - STAT - ASAP.

[Copper10-8]

4 minutes ago, BigJohnL said:

Looking at the Ft. Lauderdale webcam, you can see a lot of flashing lights/emergency vehicles around terminal 19. I have no idea what they are or what they are doing. Not going to speculate. I just find it interesting.

 

I think you are looking at the transportation (buses) with their Broward County Sheriff escort vehicles with their roof light bars illuminated outside berth #19. Could be a positive sign

Edited April 2, 2020 by Copper10-8

[DFD1]

The commission meeting is this afternoon. Do not know what time, but I expect very soon. We should know something before very much longer.

 

At least one can hope.

[rjbean4]

Just checked this website again and there has been a change. This site is worth keeping a eye on. 

https://pevvesseltraffic.broward.org/webx/

 

Zaandam -  15:45 at pier 21

Rotterdam - 16:15 at pier 19

[sansterre]

7 minutes ago, Vict0riann said:

At that meeting on the 31st, I seem to remember they said they would take a vote on Thursday, and that it would have to be unanimous.  Would that count as "notice"?

Not normally.  Perhaps this is an "extreme case" in which an exception can take place?

However, to my knowledge, there are no exceptions. 

Just saw post below this one so going to review pages 42 and 43 that may address the exception.

Edited April 2, 2020 by sansterre

[LMaxwell]

7 minutes ago, sansterre said:

http://myfloridalegal.com/webfiles.nsf/WF/MNOS-B9QQ79/$file/SunshineManual.pdf

Unless a meeting was publicly advertised two weeks prior and with an agenda item of 

"Port Everglades disembarkation rules" or something similar,  no vote can be taken.

However, there can be a workshop, where information is imparted and questions and concerned addressed.

The Sunshine Law increases transparency for city and county governments and encourages public participation.  The Sunshine Laws also prevent any discussion of issues between commissioners;  all discussion on a subject is public/in the sunshine!

Surprisingly, they do not apply to State meetings or State legislators.

 

Pages 42 and 43 address this; there is no need for a 2 week notice

[Nymich]

4 minutes ago, sansterre said:

Yes, why not let the Zaandam dock and get those two critical passengers off?  

Do it NOW - STAT - ASAP.

easy to say hard to do

[LMaxwell]

4 minutes ago, sansterre said:

Yes, why not let the Zaandam dock and get those two critical passengers off?  

Do it NOW - STAT - ASAP.

 

I don't think the number is two <?> HAL may be working on getting the resources necessary to the pier to meet the number who need critical care. 

 

[kazu]

1 minute ago, rjbean4 said:

Just checked this website again and there has been a change. This site is worth keeping a eye on. 

https://pevvesseltraffic.broward.org/webx/

 

Zaandam -  15:45 at pier 21

Rotterdam - 16:15 at pier 19

 

Very close to the estimated time that CBC gave this morning on the news.

🤞🙏🏻🤞

[rjbean4]

Once again because people are posting so quickly.

Just checked this website again and there has been a change. This site is worth keeping a eye on. 

https://pevvesseltraffic.broward.org/webx/

 

Zaandam -  15:45 at pier 21

Rotterdam - 16:15 at pier 19

[Lois R]

I am so confused. I have clicked on both links....the PE link and Ft. Lauderdale...…….how come I can't

find the ships in the picture?

[BellKat]

1 minute ago, Lois R said:

I am so confused. I have clicked on both links....the PE link and Ft. Lauderdale...…….how come I can't

find the ships in the picture?

They have apparently moved out of view of the cameras. I’ve watching for quite some time & they were there & then they weren’t. 

[Gypsy025]

The ships must still be at sea - not in the port!

[martiniren]

13 minutes ago, BigJohnL said:

Looking at the Ft. Lauderdale webcam, you can see a lot of flashing lights/emergency vehicles around terminal 19. I have no idea what they are or what they are doing. Not going to speculate. I just find it interesting.

Holy crap!  That's a LOT of flashing lights!

[3rdGenCunarder]

3 minutes ago, Lois R said:

I am so confused. I have clicked on both links....the PE link and Ft. Lauderdale...…….how come I can't

find the ships in the picture?

 

They've moved farther north and are outside the view of the SE camera.

[Copper10-8]

1 minute ago, Lois R said:

I am so confused. I have clicked on both links....the PE link and Ft. Lauderdale...…….how come I can't

find the ships in the picture?

 

Because they are no longer in the pic 😉 They are not stationarY; they are moving as we speak, currently both in a southerly direction in their holding pattern

 

https://www.vesselfinder.com/?imo=9156527

 

[Vict0riann]

3 minutes ago, Lois R said:

I am so confused. I have clicked on both links....the PE link and Ft. Lauderdale...…….how come I can't

find the ships in the picture?

You will need to click on the link in the top left hand corner of the Fort Lauderdale webcam to view the SE camera - but the ships actually are over the horizon at the moment.  They are moving around.  You could also go to the Marine Traffic site to see all the cruise ship "blips"!  Here: 

https://www.marinetraffic.com/en/ais/home/centerx:-81.7/centery:25.3/zoom:7

[Lois R]

1 minute ago, Copper10-8 said:

 

Because they are no longer in the pic 😉 They are not stationarY; they are moving as we speak, currently both in a southerly direction in their holding pattern

 

https://www.vesselfinder.com/?imo=9156527

 

OMG....thanks.....thought I had lost my mind...….(maybe I have too LOL). I appreciate the reply.

[Copper10-8]

1 minute ago, martiniren said:

Holy crap!  That's a LOT of flashing lights!

 

Takes a while to get that many transport buses and police (sheriff) escorts together 😉 Still, it's a good sign that things might start happening this afternoon (local time) 

[3rdGenCunarder]

1 minute ago, Lois R said:

OMG....thanks.....thought I had lost my mind...….(maybe I have too LOL). I appreciate the reply.

 

We're all losing our minds over this!

[LHT28]

2 hours ago, mcmarya said:

The continuation of the Zaandam cruise from Buenos Aires to San Antonio, Chile was a cruise from San Antonio to Ft. Lauderdale, scheduled to arrive in FLL on April 7. 

Where was the Zaandam before  Buenos Aires embarkation?

[mamaofami]

8 minutes ago, rjbean4 said:

Once again because people are posting so quickly.

Just checked this website again and there has been a change. This site is worth keeping a eye on. 

https://pevvesseltraffic.broward.org/webx/

 

Zaandam -  15:45 at pier 21

Rotterdam - 16:15 at pier 19

 

This site says these Zuidy and Roterdaam are scheduled, not confirmed.