Taking a cue from hotels

[marieps]

14 minutes ago, ECCruise said:

I would agree with the comparison between evidence and proof.  Maybe I should have said "proof."  Because there are lots of examples of "evidence" including UFOs,  Sasquatch.  Others.  But no proof.

But my earliest reaction was that people seem to be believing that heat and humidity is some magic potion.  If it was, what I originally said was "what about Brazil?"  Sunny.   Hot.  Humid.  Horrible COVID-19 infections raging.  Also Singapore with same weather conditions that had a large spike after seeming was under control.

I think that there are people are so desperate to go on a cruise that they will grasp at anything to assuage their cruising desire.  Whether it is sun disinfectant or "CDC said surfaces are not a source of transmission."

(They didn't).

I'm willing to get a better line on all information before I get crammed into a cruise ship.  Just more to life than cruising.

And I should have attributed the UV study in my earlier comment, to say that one study suggests an affect.   Also, did you hear WHO has never changed its stance that for healthy people masks may do more harm than good? 

 

"If you do not have any respiratory symptoms such as fever, cough or runny nose, you do not need to wear a mask," Dr. April Baller, a public health specialist for the WHO, says in a video on the world health body's website posted in March. 

 

Can we just get a straight story? 

Edited May 29, 2020 by marieps

[ECCruise]

9 minutes ago, marieps said:

And I should have attributed the UV study in my earlier comment, to say that one study suggests an affect.   Also, did you hear WHO has never changed its stance that for healthy people masks may do more harm than good? 

 

"If you do not have any respiratory symptoms such as fever, cough or runny nose, you do not need to wear a mask," Dr. April Baller, a public health specialist for the WHO, says in a video on the world health body's website posted in March. 

 

Can we just get a straight story? 

March?

Gonna edit this because she evidently has reiterated this recently.

Agree.  Can we just get a straight story cause the conflicting information is just nuts.

Edited May 29, 2020 by ECCruise

[catz0026]

if I need to clean my own room I will just stay at home! 

[yorky]

Personally I don’t care if I have to make the bed, or if the room is not cleaned for two weeks. We can run over the bathroom in 10 minutes if we need to every two or three days, making the bed takes 30 seconds.No big deal.
 

[lexmiller]

For us, we cruise with Celebrity for the entire package - modern luxury we feel is an apt description for Celebrity and we love it - we are inching our way closer to Zenith, though now we probably will never make it.  We love the excellent stateroom service, especially the evening turndown - we can't afford hotels that do that second cleaning, so we really love it when we cruise - love the pampering!  We don't want a diminished experience - the descriptions the OP listed, ouch, that is a deal breaker for us.  We'd definitely rather stay home......after a vaccine is found, hopefully life may return to something at least close to the way things were.  For now, the only "lift and shift" we will be doing is lifting and shifting our lives from our house to a rental house on the ocean for a week - living our same life that we have at home of wearing masks, take out food, but in a more interesting setting.  

[phoenix_dream]

9 hours ago, Lazz said:

When you put these charts up, you need to include the amount of testing that has been done.  The increase in positive results could be the result in an increase in testing, 

That is definitely a contributing factor.  That's why it is necessary to look at other factors such as hospitalizations.  There was very limited testing in the beginning (and still not enough) so as testing increases, so do the positive numbers.  It doesn't mean in and of itself that the virus is spreading more or faster.

[twins_to_alaska]

I've been wondering and waiting for the housecleaning thread. It wouldn't affect me much as I don't need/care to have turn down service/housekeeping during my vacation but I know it would bother many others who expect that service.

 

My favorite Ocean City MD hotel is open but also not doing daily housekeeping at this time. No, the price hasn't gone done... there's a lot more cleaning done between guests and of the common areas that are costing more.

 

No reusable materials are stored in the guest room.

Additional pillows and blankets are available per request only. Linens are removed in one-time-use bags upon checkout or request. 

Daily housekeeping service has been suspended during this period. If you need any items for your room, please contact the front desk, and a hotel associate will promptly deliver items outside your door. 

[WrittenOnYourHeart]

On 5/29/2020 at 8:12 AM, 4774Papa said:

However, I have read articles that heat and humidity do help kill the virus

 

So why is Florida the poop show that it is right now?? You don't get much hotter and more humid than Florida in the summer...

[NMTraveller]

On a cruise we expect a high level of service.  No daily maid service would be a no starter.

 

We just did get back from a land trip to Jackson Hole, Mount RushMore, and Telluride.  For the most part the standard seems to be no maid service (you pick up what you need at the front desk).  Outdoor dining and masks while indoors.  In Telluride everyone was required to wear masks and they cleaned the gondolas between every rider.  I am not sure how they could/would clean the seats in the theater.  Do the performers wear masks, etc.

[phoenix_dream]

Amazing to me the folks who would not cruise just because they had to spend 15 minutes a day tidying up their stateroom.  Their choice of course.  I certainly enjoy having a nice, crisp made-up bed and a clean bathroom waiting for me.  But would I give up all the other hundreds of things I enjoy about cruising because of that?  Count me in as a big, fat NO.  There could be some deal breakers with new conditions - no one knows for sure what they will be.  But daily housekeeping will not be one of them for me.

 

One concern I have (and it is soooo remote timewise that believe me I waste little time thinking of it) is whether the decrease in service will become the new norm, even when things get back to some kind of normal.  LLP loves to cut costs - that's been proven time and again as she nibbles us to death by ducks by cutting this little nicety and that little nicety - so she may believe we will be so used to some of these changes we won't care if they remain.   But we loyal Celebrity fans have long memories - I hope she knows that!

[C-Dragons]

1 hour ago, WrittenOnYourHeart said:

 

So why is Florida the poop show that it is right now?? You don't get much hotter and more humid than Florida in the summer...

It is true that heat will kill the Coronavirus but it has to be around 133 degrees for at least 15 minutes. Sunlight will also kill the virus outdoors on surfaces only. Neither one works with people. 😉

[MISTER 67]

On 5/28/2020 at 2:29 PM, ECCruise said:

Then please explain Brazil. 

Lots of sun and warmth. Not so much social distancing since Bolsinaro didn't think it was effective. Currently #2 in the world behind US. 

Exactly, we live in Florida and we are having our usual hot and humid summer and our case counts have spiked to over10,000 a day with many deaths.

 

[phabric]

2 hours ago, NMTraveller said:

I am not sure how they could/would clean the seats in the theater.  

While on the Princess Sky Oct 2019, after every performance in the theater they sprayed.  I asked the Cruise Director why we had to wait for them to open the doors, he said they have to let the spray settle.
 

They even went on the excursion coaches and sprayed the seats.

[phabric]

A few years ago,  while at Disney World, you could opt out of housekeeping to receive a gift card.  If you needed towels, you called and they would be left in a bag at your door.

[NMTraveller]

4 minutes ago, phabric said:

While on the Princess Sky Oct 2019, after every performance in the theater they sprayed.  I asked the Cruise Director why we had to wait for them to open the doors, he said they have to let the spray settle.
 

They even went on the excursion coaches and sprayed the seats.

https://www.cnn.com/world/live-news/coronavirus-pandemic-05-16-20-intl/h_0f2325d2b58893ae656ac8e522afad79

 

Is it effective?  Not sure if they have changed their minds.  I have not even seen this in shopping malls.

[4774Papa]

1 hour ago, C-Dragons said:

It is true that heat will kill the Coronavirus but it has to be around 133 degrees for at least 15 minutes. Sunlight will also kill the virus outdoors on surfaces only. Neither one works with people. 😉

We live on coastal Georgia one county from the Florida line.  Our county is a resort area under normal conditions.   We were doing very well with our COVID numbers until Memorial Day Weekend, when hordes of people, many from the Northeast or midwest came down to do what people normally do this time of the year.   I went out once to our village area and no one was wearing a mask.   The people in the restaurants and shops were wearing masks.  Subsequently, our COVID numbers mushroomed.   Fortunately, the numbers for our county have dropped from the peak and seem to be slowing dropping.  I suspect Florida had it worse than us.

[phoenix_dream]

1 hour ago, phabric said:

A few years ago,  while at Disney World, you could opt out of housekeeping to receive a gift card.  If you needed towels, you called and they would be left in a bag at your door.

In recent, but pre-Covid, times I have seen that happening at various hotels I have stayed in.  Usually we stay at Hilton properties, and in that case they offered an extra number of points if you bypassed daily housekeeping.  We never thought the offer was worth what we were missing so we didn't take advantage of it, but it was going on for at least the year prior to Covid, if not longer.

[Straughn]

Add me to the group who will stay home if cabin services are removed.

Edited July 26, 2020 by Straughn

[Lazz]

17 hours ago, WrittenOnYourHeart said:

 

So why is Florida the poop show that it is right now?? You don't get much hotter and more humid than Florida in the summer...

One of the numerous theories I have been reading is that people closed up in recirculated air greatly increases the chance for exposure. Many "experts"  have urged getting more fresh air, whether it be one getting outside or even opening the windows.  They have also stressed improvements in filtration systems.   In the winter, people in the South are out and about more than people up North.  The situation is reverse in the winter.  The correlation is that the virus spread increased in the South due to people retreating inside to the A/C, while it reduced in the North because people got outside.  Nursing homes were hit hard because the residents remain inside with recirculated air.  This theory goes all the way back to the pandemic of 1918 where they found that those that had to be placed in beds outside recovered faster than those with beds inside.  I am very interested in seeing your thoughts on this theory.

Edited July 26, 2020 by Lazz

[WrittenOnYourHeart]

1 hour ago, Lazz said:

One of the numerous theories I have been reading is that people closed up in recirculated air greatly increases the chance for exposure. Many "experts"  have urged getting more fresh air, whether it be one getting outside or even opening the windows.  They have also stressed improvements in filtration systems.   In the winter, people in the South are out and about more than people up North.  The situation is reverse in the winter.  The correlation is that the virus spread increased in the South due to people retreating inside to the A/C, while it reduced in the North because people got outside.  Nursing homes were hit hard because the residents remain inside with recirculated air.  This theory goes all the way back to the pandemic of 1918 where they found that those that had to be placed in beds outside recovered faster than those with beds inside.  I am very interested in seeing your thoughts on this theory.

 

Considering Spring Break was cancelled in NYC to KEEP people from going outside (they literally said we had to keep remore learning going to keep people from going outside), I'm iffy.

 

But I'm not a geek reading everything on it, so...

 

Just seems like the heat and humidity kills it argument is being disproven by spikes in places where they are dealing with heat and humidity.

[FlorenceItaly]

1 hour ago, Lazz said:

One of the numerous theories I have been reading is that people closed up in recirculated air greatly increases the chance for exposure. Many "experts"  have urged getting more fresh air, whether it be one getting outside or even opening the windows.  They have also stressed improvements in filtration systems.   In the winter, people in the South are out and about more than people up North.  The situation is reverse in the winter.  The correlation is that the virus spread increased in the South due to people retreating inside to the A/C, while it reduced in the North because people got outside.  Nursing homes were hit hard because the residents remain inside with recirculated air.  This theory goes all the way back to the pandemic of 1918 where they found that those that had to be placed in beds outside recovered faster than those with beds inside.  I am very interested in seeing your thoughts on this theory.

I think there is some truth to this.  My husband is currently undergoing radiation treatment and our oncologist says absolutely no inside dining.  Outside dining is okay, but, no inside dining.

[TeeRick]

On 5/28/2020 at 11:49 AM, TFree said:

This post caused me to look up the Four Seasons Covid-19 policies, and it led me to this article:

 

https://www.nbcnews.com/business/consumer/so-long-minibar-how-coronavirus-changing-your-hotel-stay-n1180226

 

It deals with the Four Seasons in New York City, which of course was the US epicenter of the disease.  Maybe more importantly, the hotel was hosting medical professionals on the front lines of treatment for the disease.  So the measures taken were extreme, and intentionally so.  I can't see most of them being implemented elsewhere, other than in the very short run.  

 

Tom & Judy

Thank you!  Context is frequently excluded but it really helps our understanding.  The media hates context if it is against their agenda.

[NMTraveller]

On 5/28/2020 at 9:49 AM, TFree said:

This post caused me to look up the Four Seasons Covid-19 policies, and it led me to this article:

 

https://www.nbcnews.com/business/consumer/so-long-minibar-how-coronavirus-changing-your-hotel-stay-n1180226

 

It deals with the Four Seasons in New York City, which of course was the US epicenter of the disease.  Maybe more importantly, the hotel was hosting medical professionals on the front lines of treatment for the disease.  So the measures taken were extreme, and intentionally so.  I can't see most of them being implemented elsewhere, other than in the very short run.  

 

Tom & Judy

Many of these rules are still in place at the 4 hotels that I stayed at two weeks ago.  No one did temperate checks though.  Recommendations to only have one party in the elevator were recommended and not enforced.  One out of 4 hotels had the buffet open.  I went out for a served breakfast outside that day.

 

At the Telluride resort I stayed at you would e-mail your registration form in and a picture of your license plate.  The lobby in the hotel was closed but staffed outside by the valet.

 

I am not sure how the cruise ships would serve all of their meals outside?  Luckily the weather was nice and we were able to eat outside for the duration of the trip.

Edited July 26, 2020 by NMTraveller

[BEAV]

4 hours ago, Lazz said:

One of the numerous theories I have been reading is that people closed up in recirculated air greatly increases the chance for exposure. Many "experts"  have urged getting more fresh air, whether it be one getting outside or even opening the windows.  They have also stressed improvements in filtration systems.   In the winter, people in the South are out and about more than people up North.  The situation is reverse in the winter.  The correlation is that the virus spread increased in the South due to people retreating inside to the A/C, while it reduced in the North because people got outside.  Nursing homes were hit hard because the residents remain inside with recirculated air.  This theory goes all the way back to the pandemic of 1918 where they found that those that had to be placed in beds outside recovered faster than those with beds inside.  I am very interested in seeing your thoughts on this theory.

 

This makes sense to me. I’m in the SF Bay Area of Northern California. Although the entire state as a whole isn’t too good right now, it seems to be considerably worse in the Southern part of the state. And especially in the central San Joaquin Valley where summer temperatures are typically mid 90’s-105. Meanwhile, I’m in the warmest part of the Bay Area and haven’t had to turn on my A/C in over 2 weeks as our temps have been so mild. 

[NMTraveller]

2 hours ago, TeeRick said:

Thank you!  Context is frequently excluded but it really helps our understanding.  The media hates context if it is against their agenda.

Our governor was a news media darling.  She followed all of the CDC guidelines,  slowly opened up the state, etc.  When the state's numbers spiked the news media abandonded her.  I think that it would make an interesting story as to WHY the numbers spiked.  We do not have beaches,  the bars never opened, we have had a mask mandate since May, etc.  We have had some of the toughest restrictions in the US.

Edited July 26, 2020 by NMTraveller