Dire financial predictions from Carnival Corp. Is RCI next?

[ipeeinthepool]

2 hours ago, AC Stew said:

Last comment to AC

 

Back to the US: HMOs are not always accepted by the best doctors. Or the best hospitals, university or not. And if an HMO is considered, it often has to go through a lengthy approval process. (I just looked at the Mayo, Shads, and Moffat websites.) I repeat, in the US ... for some, medical service might end up being rendered according to price paid. Or entail long waits, while doctors hash out medical service requests with medical review/approval board accountants.

 

 

 

 

HMO's are managed care plans that sometimes require approvals to talk to specialists.  If you need something in an emergency, you get it.  Sometimes it may be inconvenient but it does not compromise care.  You are not required to participate in HMO's but if you want lower payments, then you must follow their rules.  Again, most major medical centers accept HMO's.  You mentioned the Mayo Clinic, certainly a premier medical center.

 

 

[welwyngirl]

7 hours ago, grapau27 said:

I think it is wonderful.

Everyone has access regardless of wealth and Foreign nationals too.

Most medical drugs are free in hospital and even the most expensive treatment is free and only a small number of expensive cancer drugs are not freely available but will be used on a case by case assesment.

A large number of the population are excempt of paying anything at all and go in the same queue as everyone else.

 

Hear, hear!  Our NHS is wonderful.  I'm 73, husband 77, we've had usual medical problems plus OH has had two strokes, prostate cancer and other issues.  All treated FOC and in a timely fashion.  I've had experience of seeking medical assistance in the US and other nations.  They want your CC details before they'll look at you.  I know the NHS has its faults, but for  most of the world  it's considered to be a wonderful thing. 

[grapau27]

27 minutes ago, welwyngirl said:

Hear, hear!  Our NHS is wonderful.  I'm 73, husband 77, we've had usual medical problems plus OH has had two strokes, prostate cancer and other issues.  All treated FOC and in a timely fashion.  I've had experience of seeking medical assistance in the US and other nations.  They want your CC details before they'll look at you.  I know the NHS has its faults, but for  most of the world  it's considered to be a wonderful thing. 

I agree.

Sorry to hear your hubby has had a few medical issues but delighted he has had excellent treatment and hopefully he is well now.

I had a mild heart attack in December and drove to A&E and had an ECG and blood test which showed I had had a mild heart attack and I was admitted straight into cardiac care for 2 days where I had a stent fitted.

The staff were all amazing.

[sgmn]

10 hours ago, Milwaukee Eight said:

So your NHS is not really a bed of Roses 🌹. 
 

M8

It's not perfect, but it's free to anyone who needs it, paid for mainly from taxes. The limited personal experience I have had in my own family has been excellent. For instance my husband had a very minor irregular heartbeat for a few seconds and had the full range of tests and scans until they found a blockade in one artery and inserted a stent. Total cost zero. That was five years ago, his subsequent checks and medicine is free as he is over 60. Even if he did not qualify for free drugs, the maximum for a prescription is under £10.

Edited August 10, 2020 by sgmn

[TiiiSailor]

So RCL reports it's last quarterly earnings/losses and loses $7.80 per share and the stock goes up 10%.  Wonder if it's all the cruisers loyal to Royal spending money on the stock or professional investors buying up shares?  

[ipeeinthepool]

7 minutes ago, TiiiSailor said:

So RCL reports it's last quarterly earnings/losses and loses $7.80 per share and the stock goes up 10%.  Wonder if it's all the cruisers loyal to Royal spending money on the stock or professional investors buying up shares?  

 

Sorry for my contribution to RCL losses last quarter.  I'm part of the 48% of people that want a refund when my cruise is cancelled.  I'm also not giving them any more money until sailing resumes.

[Iamcruzin]

1 hour ago, ipeeinthepool said:

 

Sorry for my contribution to RCL losses last quarter.  I'm part of the 48% of people that want a refund when my cruise is cancelled.  I'm also not giving them any more money until sailing resumes.

I’m surprised it’s only 48% of the cruisers asking for money back and not over 50%. 

[Ashland]

2 hours ago, Iamcruzin said:

I’m surprised it’s only 48% of the cruisers asking for money back and not over 50%. 

I'm actually not surprised...lot's of L/S going on.

[Iamcruzin]

3 minutes ago, Ashland said:

I'm actually not surprised...lot's of L/S going on.

Lift and Shift is the best way to go if you can book further out. Time is running out for those who took the 125% FCC option early on thinking that cruising would be starting up in June. I have credits for JetBlue from a June trip to Florida. I have no idea when I will be able to use them.

[CSHS1979]

7 hours ago, AC Stew said:

Last comment to "ipeeinthepool," as this thread has gone way off-topic:

 

Canadian health care is not perfect, but I can assure you that top notch doctors and facilities are "available" to all. I'm actually Canadian, so I speak from experience. Health care is administered provincially, not nationally, as it is in Britain. One's plan is overseen by the province in which you reside, and services will be tailored to the requirements of the population. There are some differences; provinces vary greatly in size, population, and demographics.

 

I lived in British Columbia, and I always received great care from excellent doctors in state-of-the-art facilities, all in a timely fashion. My friends living there today report no problems. Maybe they've been lucky, maybe not. (A girlfriend in Manitoba had to wait longer for some tests.) But nobody was kept waiting for cancer diagnosis and treatment!

 

Back to the US: HMOs are not always accepted by the best doctors. Or the best hospitals, university or not. And if an HMO is considered, it often has to go through a lengthy approval process. (I just looked at the Mayo, Shads, and Moffat websites.) I repeat, in the US ... for some, medical service might end up being rendered according to price paid. Or entail long waits, while doctors hash out medical service requests with medical review/approval board accountants.

 

Bottom line: Canadian provincial health care. Ideal?  No. But here in the US, we have many, many issues too. And while I certainly don't know everything (far from it), I just felt it important to defend Canadian doctors, hospitals, and researchers.

 

End of comments.

 

 

 

Speaking from experience, not a website,  I had surgery at Mayo Clinic without any lengthy approvals

[The_Big_M]

10 hours ago, yogimax said:

 

 

CFO Jason Liberty said that bookings for next year's first quarter have been softer but are "quite strong for the summer and back half of 2021."

 

I'm not sure why the 2021 1Q bookings are weak.  Is it just a realization that folks don't think there will be any cruising in 1Q 2021?

 

I don't believe many are making bookings for the near future. Summer and 2nd half 2021 will be gaining from all the lift and shift transfers, which are happening right now for that period due to pending final payment due dates.

[Wedgeh]

15 hours ago, ipeeinthepool said:

 

I invite you to come across the border and we can visit these testing sites.  People from all over the world come to the US because the best health care in the world is available in the US.  I'm not sure I've ever heard of anyone going to Toronto for medical care.

 

I'm sure that's true - if you have the ability to pay! The NHS isn't perfect, but everyone from the poorest to the richest person here in the UK gets decent medical care. And if you have the ability to pay more, private healthcare is available to you. There are very, very few people here who would exchange the UK healthcare system for the USA's.

[ipeeinthepool]

2 hours ago, Wedgeh said:

 

I'm sure that's true - if you have the ability to pay! The NHS isn't perfect, but everyone from the poorest to the richest person here in the UK gets decent medical care. And if you have the ability to pay more, private healthcare is available to you. There are very, very few people here who would exchange the UK healthcare system for the USA's.

 

I'm glad the system has worked for you, I wish you continued success.  However my only experience with healthcare in London was before a cruise when my wife had an urgent dental problem.  The only place we could find someone to see her within a day or two was on Harley Street.  I'm not sure what we would have done if we didn't find a private dentist.

[A&L_Ont]

4 hours ago, ipeeinthepool said:

 

I'm glad the system has worked for you, I wish you continued success.  However my only experience with healthcare in London was before a cruise when my wife had an urgent dental problem.  The only place we could find someone to see her within a day or two was on Harley Street.  I'm not sure what we would have done if we didn't find a private dentist.

 

Dentists and denturists are private in Canada, look one up in the phone book and away you go.  You do not go to the hospital for one.

[grapau27]

12 hours ago, CSHS1979 said:

 

Speaking from experience, not a website,  I had surgery at Mayo Clinic without any lengthy approvals

I hope everything went well and surgery sorted whatever ailment you had.

Graham.

[TiiiSailor]

17 hours ago, ipeeinthepool said:

 

Sorry for my contribution to RCL losses last quarter.  I'm part of the 48% of people that want a refund when my cruise is cancelled.  I'm also not giving them any more money until sailing resumes.

If I'd had a cruise cancelled I would be right there in line with you wanting a refund instead of a FCC.

[drsel]

If Royal offered a gift of 600 OBC along with the FCC, then would you take it?

[2chiefs]

On 8/8/2020 at 1:44 AM, drsel said:

Yes, there will be a lot of cut backs in service and quality of food.

I think even the number of crew and their salaries will be reduced dramatically, possibly by even 40%

Gratuities will go up and the cost of onboard spending will increase

This may cause a lot of people to look elsewhere for vacations (IMHO).

 

[not-enough-cruising]

26 minutes ago, 2chiefs said:

This may cause a lot of people to look elsewhere for vacations (IMHO).

 

No question about it

[grandgeezer]

49 minutes ago, drsel said:

If Royal offered a gift of 600 OBC along with the FCC, then would you take it?

If it was refundable obc, yes. Nonrefundable, not a chance.

[taglovestocruise]

Carnival, Ncl. and Royal all had good a price jump again today. Royal back over $60. Russia is our friend again with their vaccine approval.

[not-enough-cruising]

1 minute ago, taglovestocruise said:

Carnival, Ncl. and Royal all had good a price jump again today. Royal back over $60. Russia is our friend again with their vaccine approval.

Vaccine "self approval"- I trust that about as much as a Wuhan virology lab security plan.

[drsel]

If you don't trust Russia then wait for the Oxford vaccine

[taglovestocruise]

11 minutes ago, not-enough-cruising said:

Vaccine "self approval"- I trust that about as much as a Wuhan virology lab security plan.

Sometime next week look for ChiNA to be selling Russian vaccine in pill form available with next day free shipping from Amazon. 

[not-enough-cruising]

1 hour ago, drsel said:

If you don't trust Russia then wait for the Oxford vaccine

Wether you trust them or not, this vaccine will not be distributed outside of Russian federation territories and therefore is a moot point to the vast majority of CC users.