Dire financial predictions from Carnival Corp. Is RCI next?

[Milwaukee Eight]

4 hours ago, ChC said:

 

Yes the NHS pays or reimburse hospital on treatment. And NHS dictate what drugs they will pay and at what price. So some drugs may not be available in NHS to save one's life as it might not be in NHS's approved drug list. Also in some hospital the budget is tightly controlled, so some patients are turned away (mainly cancer patients) due to lack of specialists, but part of the reason actually is about budgeting which the main stream newspaper is not reporting.

So your NHS is not really a bed of Roses 🌹. 
 

M8

[Iamcruzin]

Bingo, and trivia will be replaced with Solitaire and Sudoku.  The Aqua Theater performance will be replaced with an old Ester Williams film and past Olympic Diving Competitions to be shown in the stateroom. This will be featured on all ship classes so no need to book an Oasis Class. The production of Cats will be replaced with the movie version and as an added bonus they will also be featuring Tiger King, Cat on a Hot Tin roof and Felix the Cat.  

 

Guests will be provided with a roll of paper towels and a bottle of disinfectant and will clean their own bathrooms as well as make up and turn down their own beds. Suite guests and those who purchase the key will be given Lysol or Clorox wipes. I'm sure some of you would prefer to do this yourself anyway so consider it a bonus. Pinnacles will also get the Lysol or Clorox wipes. Please note that if a Pinnacle books a suite they still only get one container of wipes. They don't get one for booking a suite and one for being Pinnacle.   D+ will be given Bounty paper towels. All other tiers will receive a generic brand.

[Joebucks]

16 hours ago, yogimax said:

Well said.  Even if it is as low as 1%, who will volunteer to have their loved ones or themselves be the 1%

 

When thinking about total society vs just those infected, it is 1% of 1%. Even with random odds, those aren't numbers to live in fear over. No matter how much the internet says so. Add in knowing what the warning signs are, and you can make even more of an informed decision.

[grapau27]

1 hour ago, Milwaukee Eight said:

So your NHS is not really a bed of Roses 🌹. 
 

M8

I think it is wonderful.

Everyone has access regardless of wealth and Foreign nationals too.

Most medical drugs are free in hospital and even the most expensive treatment is free and only a small number of expensive cancer drugs are not freely available but will be used on a case by case assesment.

A large number of the population are excempt of paying anything at all and go in the same queue as everyone else.

 

[livingonthebeach]

Q2 earnings have been released:  "Adjusted Net Loss of $(1.3) billion or $(6.13) per share"

https://www.rclinvestor.com/press-releases/release/?id=1488

[centurycruiser]

Let's cruise again like we did last summer.

 

[time4u2go]

12 minutes ago, centurycruiser said:

Let's cruise again like we did last summer.

 

Your chart shows 139,659 deaths, but CDC's website is currently showing 161,284 deaths.

Edited August 10, 2020 by time4u2go

[HaveWeMetYet]

14 minutes ago, time4u2go said:

Your chart shows 139,659 deaths, but CDC's website is currently showing 161,284 deaths.

139659 = .000422

161284 = .000487

 

Edited August 10, 2020 by HaveWeMetYet

[zalusky]

14 minutes ago, time4u2go said:

Your chart shows 139,659 deaths, but CDC's website is currently showing 161,284 deaths.

 

Let's see the numbers specific to a cruise sailings when they restart sailings with the rabid fans vs the land based numbers.  The numbers mean nothing on a broad based manner relative to the architecture/demograhics of a cruise ship and travel aspects of it.

[time4u2go]

3 minutes ago, HaveWeMetYet said:

139659 = .000422

161284 = .000487

 

Thanks!

[yogimax]

28 minutes ago, centurycruiser said:

Let's cruise again like we did last summer.

 

 

Not going to happen.  You make light of Coronavirus with statistical falacies.

 

Here's the only number that really matters...   727,000+ worldwide deaths from COVID-19.  (Yes, the cruise industry is indeed world wide)

[drsel]

Royal Caribbean posted a loss of $1.6 billion, or $7.83 a share, in the quarter, from a profit of $472.8 million, or $2.25 a share, in the year-earlier quarter.
Consensus called for an adjusted loss of $4.82 a share in the latest quarter.

Surprise, surprise, the share is up 10%

[The_Big_M]

12 hours ago, Chiliburn said:

Well we don’t have a government inherited from the Spanish,French,Portuguese,Italian ,Russians,Chinese or America,do we.

Some foreign governments do have a agreement with our Medicare. From memory UK,Denmark,NZ and I’ve been told (not sure if it’s true) a serving US military is included.
 

 

Sure but it wasn't inherited, or copied, from the UK. Something that just came up in our own government.

 

Yes, true to the latter, but they're because of individual agreements with those countries (and we get equivalent benefits there), not just something that automatically includes foreign nationals as well.

[yogimax]

50 minutes ago, drsel said:

Royal Caribbean posted a loss of $1.6 billion, or $7.83 a share, in the quarter, from a profit of $472.8 million, or $2.25 a share, in the year-earlier quarter.
Consensus called for an adjusted loss of $4.82 a share in the latest quarter.

Surprise, surprise, the share is up 10%

Comments from Fain and Liberty...

 

"During a conference call with analysts Monday morning, Royal Caribbean CEO Richard Fain reiterated that the protocols would address four areas: screening passengers and crews before boarding, enhanced protocols aboard the vessels, deciding which ports the ships will call on, and addressing how any Covid cases would be handled.

 

"We will not rush to return to service until we are confident that we have figured out the changes we must make to offer our guests and crews strong health and safety protocols with the enjoyable experience that they rightly expect," Fain said.

 

CFO Jason Liberty said that bookings for next year's first quarter have been softer but are "quite strong for the summer and back half of 2021."

 

I'm not sure why the 2021 1Q bookings are weak.  Is it just a realization that folks don't think there will be any cruising in 1Q 2021?

[Canadianmama3]

 
Nationalized health care is about rationing available resources which really means rationing health care.  Nationalized health care doesn't sound attractive to me.  The Detroit area has lots of independent health care diagnostic testing facilities and many of their patients are from Canada because they can't get timely tests for many conditions.  Once they get diagnosed they can more easily get care in Canada.  Limiting diagnostic facilities seems to be one of the ways Canada has chosen to ration health care.

As a Canadian I can say this is not true. I do not know a single person who has gone to the US for any test. And this includes my many friends who live 10 mins from the border.

Our health care is not rationed. All decisions about our care is made by our doctors. Not the government and not insurance companies. No one is refused treatment. If you need treatment you get it. We don’t wait weeks to get in to see our doctor. Many family members of mine have needed multiple surgeries over the last couple years. They received excellent care. Nothing was rationed and nobody had to stress at all about how it would be paid for.

When we get sick, we go get treated. We don’t second guess what we should do because of money. Our doctors don’t choose our treatment based on money (I also have several friends and family members who are doctors). We have the ability to actually focus on our health, not the money. Canadians on average have much better health outcomes and a longer life expectancy because we receive better health care. But I guess that’s not attractive to you.

Many Americans are incredibly misinformed about what health care in Canada is like. Largely from misinformation spread by US insurance companies.


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[ipeeinthepool]

5 minutes ago, Canadianmama3 said:

As a Canadian I can say this is not true. I do not know a single person who has gone to the US for any test. And this includes my many friends who live 10 mins from the border.

Our health care is not rationed. All decisions about our care is made by our doctors. Not the government and not insurance companies. No one is refused treatment. If you need treatment you get it. We don’t wait weeks to get in to see our doctor. Many family members of mine have needed multiple surgeries over the last couple years. They received excellent care. Nothing was rationed and nobody had to stress at all about how it would be paid for.

When we get sick, we go get treated. We don’t second guess what we should do because of money. Our doctors don’t choose our treatment based on money (I also have several friends and family members who are doctors). We have the ability to actually focus on our health, not the money. Canadians on average have much better health outcomes and a longer life expectancy because we receive better health care. But I guess that’s not attractive to you.

Many Americans are incredibly misinformed about what health care in Canada is like. Largely from misinformation spread by US insurance companies.


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I invite you to come across the border and we can visit these testing sites.  People from all over the world come to the US because the best health care in the world is available in the US.  I'm not sure I've ever heard of anyone going to Toronto for medical care.

[drsel]

No cruising maybe from ports in North and South America in the first quarter of 2021

[Canadianmama3]

 
I invite you to come across the border and we can visit these testing sites.  People from all over the world come to the US because the best health care in the world is available in the US.  I'm not sure I've ever heard of anyone going to Toronto for medical care.

You know what’s funny? People who don’t live in Canada, and have never accessed health care in Canada, who want to tell Canadians what our health care system is like. You are so right. You know so much more about this then I do [emoji849]


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[ipeeinthepool]

3 minutes ago, Canadianmama3 said:

 

You know what’s funny? People who don’t live in Canada, and have never accessed health care in Canada, who want to tell Canadians what our health care system is like. You are so right. You know so much more about this then I do


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So, I guess this means you don't want to come and visit these diagnostic centers.

 

Have a nice day

[AC Stew]

19 minutes ago, ipeeinthepool said:

 

I invite you to come across the border and we can visit these testing sites.  People from all over the world come to the US because the best health care in the world is available in the US.  I'm not sure I've ever heard of anyone going to Toronto for medical care.

 

"Available"  doesn't mean automatic entitlement to that great care. Not every health plan (think restrictive HMOs) will make the premier hospitals and doctors "available" to just anyone. Access to the best US health care is sadly, more often based on the price you can pay for your health insurance plan and co-pays. If an overseas patient comes to be treated in the US, you can guess that they've probably got some high level connections and seriously deep pockets.

 

 

 

[scorpluvsdolphins]

12 minutes ago, Canadianmama3 said:

 

You know what’s funny? People who don’t live in Canada, and have never accessed health care in Canada, who want to tell Canadians what our health care system is like. You are so right. You know so much more about this then I do


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One of my Canadian friends pays extra from his employer for more health insurance coverage as he says the government health care isn’t complete. 
Even with 2 insurances, he had to wait SIX weeks to get the hernia surgery. He was suffering in pain. The doctor said that was the earliest he could get on the schedule. 

In the USA, it would have been scheduled in less than a week. 

[AC Stew]

PS> Apologies for being lured off-topic.

[ipeeinthepool]

7 minutes ago, AC Stew said:

 

"Available"  doesn't mean automatic entitlement to that great care. Not every health plan (think restrictive HMOs) will make the premier hospitals and doctors "available" to just anyone. Access to the best US health care is sadly, more often based on the price you can pay for your health insurance plan and co-pays. If an overseas patient comes to be treated in the US, you can guess that they've probably got some high level connections and seriously deep pockets.

 

 

 

 

So,  do you think these premier hospitals and doctors are available in countries with nationalized health care?  FWIW, in my experience some of the best health care in the US is available at major university hospitals and they are often available to HMO programs.

[AC Stew]

Last comment to "ipeeinthepool," as this thread has gone way off-topic:

 

Canadian health care is not perfect, but I can assure you that top notch doctors and facilities are "available" to all. I'm actually Canadian, so I speak from experience. Health care is administered provincially, not nationally, as it is in Britain. One's plan is overseen by the province in which you reside, and services will be tailored to the requirements of the population. There are some differences; provinces vary greatly in size, population, and demographics.

 

I lived in British Columbia, and I always received great care from excellent doctors in state-of-the-art facilities, all in a timely fashion. My friends living there today report no problems. Maybe they've been lucky, maybe not. (A girlfriend in Manitoba had to wait longer for some tests.) But nobody was kept waiting for cancer diagnosis and treatment!

 

Back to the US: HMOs are not always accepted by the best doctors. Or the best hospitals, university or not. And if an HMO is considered, it often has to go through a lengthy approval process. (I just looked at the Mayo, Shads, and Moffat websites.) I repeat, in the US ... for some, medical service might end up being rendered according to price paid. Or entail long waits, while doctors hash out medical service requests with medical review/approval board accountants.

 

Bottom line: Canadian provincial health care. Ideal?  No. But here in the US, we have many, many issues too. And while I certainly don't know everything (far from it), I just felt it important to defend Canadian doctors, hospitals, and researchers.

 

End of comments.

 

 

[taglovestocruise]

7 hours ago, Iamcruzin said:

Bingo, and trivia will be replaced with Solitaire and Sudoku.  The Aqua Theater performance will be replaced with an old Ester Williams film and past Olympic Diving Competitions to be shown in the stateroom. This will be featured on all ship classes so no need to book an Oasis Class. The production of Cats will be replaced with the movie version and as an added bonus they will also be featuring Tiger King, Cat on a Hot Tin roof and Felix the Cat.  

 

Guests will be provided with a roll of paper towels and a bottle of disinfectant and will clean their own bathrooms as well as make up and turn down their own beds. Suite guests and those who purchase the key will be given Lysol or Clorox wipes. I'm sure some of you would prefer to do this yourself anyway so consider it a bonus. Pinnacles will also get the Lysol or Clorox wipes. Please note that if a Pinnacle books a suite they still only get one container of wipes. They don't get one for booking a suite and one for being Pinnacle.   D+ will be given Bounty paper towels. All other tiers will receive a generic brand.

I think you have totally underestimated the theory of .. squeaky wheel gets the grease.. when it comes to Pinnacle demands... At the very least they will get the XL container.   Happy cruising