New Vaccination policy on RCL

[cruisegus]

I predict the fully vaccinated to sail requirement will be in place for many years to come.  It just make sense as a risk mitigation tool for the cruise lines.

 

They will once again thrive financially like all the bars did when my state banned indoor smoking.

[Merion_Mom]

Florida tells Royal Caribbean it does not need its permission for cruise ships to sail - CRUISES - TRAVEL NEWS (boat-cruises-trips.com)

[Sunshine3601]

1 hour ago, James4me said:

I want to hear your source please.

There are many medical sites that say vaccinated people can still get covid.  Most of the cases do not get severely sick and most dont require hospitalization.  So all the more reason to be vaccinated.   It has been said on many news tv channels too.  I cannot believe you havent heard that.   You can google it.

[not-enough-cruising]

5 minutes ago, Merion_Mom said:

Florida tells Royal Caribbean it does not need its permission for cruise ships to sail - CRUISES - TRAVEL NEWS (boat-cruises-trips.com)

Florida side stepping the 2A issue and punting it all back to CDC

[keels81]

The Celebrity call with travel agents last week seemed like the bigger hurdle for cruises was more focused on getting Alaska going, and that they were in discussions and would be able to make something work in Florida -- Celebrity is committed to vaccinated cruises (within the guidelines - so anyone over 12/16, etc., etc. -- not going the beat the dead horse on that one), so everyone can feel comfortable that when they board the ship there is "herd immunity" (boy, is anyone else ready to never hear THAT term again?!) and can enjoy cruising like they did pre-pandemic. The VP of Industry Relations with CLIA was pretty optimistic as well.

 

I ultimately think the cruise line exception in Florida will be similar to that of prisons, nursing homes, etc., in that while nicer and more luxe, a cruise STILL is a congregant setting and needs to be treated as such when it comes to the overall best mitigation measure -- mass vaccination. Plus, the Florida (and national, honestly) economy needs cruising back ... from port workers and stevadores, to the vendors that supply shipside goods, to the famers and ranchers and fishermen that count on the ordering from the docked ships to fund their next growing and raising season. So for DeSantis to hold that back for something that I fully believe he intended to be more for bars/restaurants/hotels and maybe even theme parks to not require vaccination, would be silly. 

 

Personally, I've been fully vaccinated since March and I have three cruises booked within the last couple of weeks for this cruising season (one on Celebrity, one on Royal and one on Mardi Gras). I think the Celebrity travel agent presentations offer more in "hard details" on how they plan to accomplish some of these things - particularly inventory management to make sure that kids 12 and under are the ones that occupy that 5-percent capacity of unvaccinated passengers - but they're under the same company umbrella, so the thinking between the two lines probably is not that much if at all different.

 

 

[csnarpy]

1 hour ago, Merion_Mom said:

Florida tells Royal Caribbean it does not need its permission for cruise ships to sail - CRUISES - TRAVEL NEWS (boat-cruises-trips.com)

Gawd, don't they know that paragraphing is part of basic english...

[Stallion]

2 hours ago, Blauelini said:

 Read under Legal Questions Remain. Whether you believe me or not, frankly don't care. I assure you, with the type of employment I hold for the last 20 years, Florida law governs all ports.

 

https://www.cruisehive.com/will-desantis-vaccine-passport-ban-block-cruises-from-florida/50469

Nonsense-the federal government controls requirements for international travel under the interstate commerce clause and all these cruise lines announcing that passengers must be 100% vaccinated know that littl' Desantis can't do a thing about it

[BOOKBOOKBOOK]

3 hours ago, livingonthebeach said:

 

You cite a cruise blog and under the "Legal Questions Remain" is this: "A cruise ship in port falls under local jurisdiction; however, whether that jurisdiction lies with the CDC or the state government remains never-ending."  So the answer is it is not clear according to Cruise Hive.  

 

I would be more interested to know what information you have with the type of employment you've held for the last 20 years in Florida if you're able or care to share.   

 

Don't you just love it when people cite sources that don't help their point AND claim some sort of "qualification"? 😂

[At Sea At Peace]

12 hours ago, Iamcruzin said:

The CDC is the main issue and if cruises can't start from Florida they will start in Puerto Rico, NY, NJ, Texas. California, and any other port on the east or west coast. DeSantis needs to get out of his own way.

 

If the CDC is the main issue for Florida why would it not be the main issue in the other states you listed as alternate options (+PR)?  PR, NY, NJ, TX and CA do not have the combined port capacity as FL and NY, NJ and CA are likely near the rear on the letting a break from Covid draconian regulations they've enjoyed imposing.

 

It will be FL.  It will get worked out.

[lobster1313]

12 hours ago, Blauelini said:

 Read under Legal Questions Remain. Whether you believe me or not, frankly don't care. I assure you, with the type of employment I hold for the last 20 years, Florida law governs all ports.

 

https://www.cruisehive.com/will-desantis-vaccine-passport-ban-block-cruises-from-florida/50469

The cruise ships also must go to ports outside the US that have different immigration laws pertaining to covid vaccinations and they may require that the vaccination status be listed on the manifest which is something Florida doesn't have any legal means to stop. 

[FamilyCruiserUK]

Richard fain on bbc news has said he expects where eligible all passengers to be vaccinated.

[firefly333]

10 hours ago, csnarpy said:

Gawd, don't they know that paragraphing is part of basic english...

Lol my issue was with the title... that florida told rcl it didnt need its permission.. should read florida said to cdc ... .. rcl isnt the one granting permission to sail. 

 

That journalist didnt pass basic english. Title was oddly written

[Iamcruzin]

46 minutes ago, At Sea At Peace said:

 

If the CDC is the main issue for Florida why would it not be the main issue in the other states you listed as alternate options (+PR)?  PR, NY, NJ, TX and CA do not have the combined port capacity as FL and NY, NJ and CA are likely near the rear on the letting a break from Covid draconian regulations they've enjoyed imposing.

 

It will be FL.  It will get worked out.

I originally stated that the vaccine is the least of the problems and the main problem was that the CDC needs to allow sailings in the US. Someone pointed out the Florida issue and I replied that cruising can start in other states if Florida has an issue with a vaccine passport. Of course Florida is the largest cruise port destination but DeSantis is just adding more obstacles by suing the CDC for not allowing cruising to start and on the other hand preventing cruising from starting in Florida himself with the vaccine issue, which is why he needs to get out of his own way.     

[livingonthebeach]

55 minutes ago, FamilyCruiserUK said:

Richard fain on bbc news has said he expects where eligible all passengers to be vaccinated.

 

Yes, I saw part of the interview on Twitter.  Richard Fain talks about possibly no masks and vaccines.  He says there are ways around a vaccine passport.  Here is the link to the Twitter BBC partial interview:

 

 

[harkinmr]

13 hours ago, Blauelini said:

 Read under Legal Questions Remain. Whether you believe me or not, frankly don't care. I assure you, with the type of employment I hold for the last 20 years, Florida law governs all ports.

 

https://www.cruisehive.com/will-desantis-vaccine-passport-ban-block-cruises-from-florida/50469

This is not entirely true. Jurisdiction over US ports is a mix of local, state and federal authority. Florida does not have primary authority. 

[Plum Happy]

1 hour ago, regoodwinjr said:

The cruise ships also must go to ports outside the US that have different immigration laws pertaining to covid vaccinations and they may require that the vaccination status be listed on the manifest which is something Florida doesn't have any legal means to stop. 

The one post that makes sense.  The cruise lines will ask you and more than likely that person will not be allowed to get off the ship in those ports.  Florida may have their rules, but once out in international water, proof may be asked by them.

Edited May 23, 2021 by Plum Happy

[hollyberry]

I have read most postings in this thread and may have missed it or maybe widely known, but, how long is the vaccine rule in effect?

[Biker19]

Just now, hollyberry said:

I have read most postings in this thread and may have missed it or maybe widely known, but, how long is the vaccine rule in effect?

Unknown .

[zekekelso]

1 minute ago, hollyberry said:

I have read most postings in this thread and may have missed it or maybe widely known, but, how long is the vaccine rule in effect?

 
Nobody knows. Could be a year. Could be forever. 

[Tree_skier]

1 hour ago, Iamcruzin said:

Of course Florida is the largest cruise port destination but DeSantis is just adding more obstacles by suing the CDC for not allowing cruising to start and on the other hand preventing cruising from starting in Florida himself with the vaccine issue, which is why he needs to get out of his own way

I think the lawsuits have expedited many of things that we have seen change from the cdc in the last week or so.  They don't want a judgement against them.  They are trying to make the lawsuit moot.

[livingonthebeach]

13 minutes ago, Tree_skier said:

I think the lawsuits have expedited many of things that we have seen change from the cdc in the last week or so.  They don't want a judgement against them.  They are trying to make the lawsuit moot.

 

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[At Sea At Peace]

2 hours ago, Iamcruzin said:

I originally stated that the vaccine is the least of the problems and the main problem was that the CDC needs to allow sailings in the US. Someone pointed out the Florida issue and I replied that cruising can start in other states if Florida has an issue with a vaccine passport. Of course Florida is the largest cruise port destination but DeSantis is just adding more obstacles by suing the CDC for not allowing cruising to start and on the other hand preventing cruising from starting in Florida himself with the vaccine issue, which is why he needs to get out of his own way.     

 

So, Florida commencing the litigation to permit cruising is deemed to be getting in the way of cruising from Florida?  OK.  🙃  Ooops.  Forgot to mention the Governor, which is really what this is all about isn't it?

[gadaboutgal]

2 minutes ago, At Sea At Peace said:

 

So, Florida commencing the litigation to permit cruising is deemed to be getting in the way of cruising from Florida?  OK.  🙃  Ooops.  Forgot to mention the Governor, which is really what this is all about isn't it?

It's about Florida.  The legislature passed the bill prohibiting "vaccination passports" not just the governor.

 

[jrapps]

17 minutes ago, At Sea At Peace said:

 

So, Florida commencing the litigation to permit cruising is deemed to be getting in the way of cruising from Florida?  OK.  🙃  Ooops.  Forgot to mention the Governor, which is really what this is all about isn't it?

I think (maybe hope is the better word) that it's possible to talk about FL being an obstacle without it getting political. I know this often devolves into democrat, republican, liberal, conservative, socialist, fascist, garbage talk. It doesn't have to. We can disagree AND be civilized (sometimes LOL)

 

I firmly believe the lawsuit (FL vs CDC) lit a fire and is very responsible for the progress made in the last 2-3 weeks. I may not always (or ever) agree with Desantis, but this was a good move for the cruise industry. The cruise lines and the CDC are talking, Alaska looks like its going forward, rules are being relaxed, mediation is starting next week. This is all positive. Kudos to FL and their legislature.

 

It is also possible to realize that the FL legislature (and governor) can both be directly responsible for progress, and at the same time they can't help but also get in their own way. Let's have our cake and eat it too. Life is never that simple. We face a very likely scenario where the administration that helped cruising start again may also be the same administration that ends up suing (or threatening to sue) the cruise lines over vaccines. There have been several other states that have opposed the CDC, passed vaccine passport laws, AND be friendly to cruise line wishes. (TX comes to mind). 

 

So yes, FL is going to find itself in a situation where the governor may soon be the biggest obstacle to his own success in restarting the cruise industry. I'm not trying to badmouth him. If he didn't dig his heels on the whole vaccine cruise ship thing, I would find myself in the unusual position of praising him (and gladly do so). As it stands now, the TX economy may be the biggest recipient of the his actions.

Edited May 23, 2021 by jrapps
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[At Sea At Peace]

11 minutes ago, jrapps said:

I think (maybe hope is the better word) that it's possible to talk about FL being an obstacle without it getting political. I know this often devolves into democrat, republican, liberal, conservative, socialist, fascist, garbage talk. It doesn't have to. We can disagree AND be civilized (sometimes LOL)

 

I firmly believe the lawsuit (FL vs CDC) lit a fire and is very responsible for the progress made in the last 2-3 weeks. I may not always (or ever) agree with Desantis, but this was a good move for the cruise industry. The cruise lines and the CDC are talking, Alaska looks like its going forward, rules are being relaxed, mediation is starting next week. This is all positive. Kudos to FL and their legislature.

 

It is also possible to realize that the FL legislature (and governor) can both be directly responsible for progress, and at the same time they can't help but also get in their own way. Let's have our cake and eat it too. Life is never that simple. We face a very likely scenario where the administration that helped cruising start again may also be the same administration that ends up suing (or threatening to sue) the cruise lines over vaccines. There have been several other states that have opposed the CDC, passed vaccine passport laws, AND be friendly to cruise line wishes. (TX comes to mind). 

 

So yes, FL is going to find itself in a situation where the governor may soon be the biggest obstacle to his own success in restarting the cruise industry. I'm not trying to badmouth him. If he didn't dig his heels on the whole vaccine cruise ship thing, I would find myself in the unusual position of praising him (and gladly do so). As it stands now, the TX economy may be the biggest recipient of the his actions.

 

Agreed FL prompted the CDC off the pot re: some updates for cruising.  It was helpful that the CDC made major changes in guidelines for all regarding those that are vaccinated, being outside, etc. in what appears to also have been from the prompting that the willing population started to dry up real fast (basically, questioning if vaccines work and there are no real changes back to lifestyle from lockdown, why get it).

 

On the TX front, although a TX fan and a son and family are there and we love our extended visits, Galveston has roughly the capacity to handle 1/8th the passenger volume of Miami, Port Canaveral and Port Everglades.

 

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