Unruly Passenger Behavior??

[DirtyDawg]

56 minutes ago, Winnigirl said:

I saw that in the Daily Mail.  Unbelievable.  She kept screaming about her "freedoms".  Ironically, she was on the Freedom of the Seas.  

Royal should rename the ship to "Freedom to be an Idiot of the Seas". 😉

[NantahalaCruiser]

On 7/11/2021 at 11:13 AM, Mary229 said:

Cruise ships do have jails and lockdowns.  I have seen them cart off an unruly customer once.  At the next port they are unceremoniously handed over to the local authorities.   Airlines don't have that option

Actually airlines do have that option.  A commercial airline pilot has the authority to divert to the nearest compatible airport and have them removed from the plane. A friend who used to be a senior pilot for Delta once turned a transatlantic flight around after 30 minutes into the flight and returned to Charles de Gaulle Airport to discharge an unruly passenger.

[getting older slowly]

Unruly passengers.... just a thought    if on a plane or a ship or a train... simply apply a life long ban on them using that mode of travel....... just when one thought we had come so far from the stone age....   lol

 

Welcome to the Me Age..........

 

Well it was just a thought while having a G&T before dinner....

 

Remember..... if in doubt, chill out

 

Don

Edited July 16, 2021 by getting older slowly

[Mike981]

Obviously (for what ever reason) this behavior has gotten worse. We have had multiple generations of kids being raised by entitled parents and it just perpetuates. And no it didn't just start with the millennials. I have seen folks in the 70+ group have some of the worst behavior. My wife has some sad stories from when she was a waitress in the 80's and having to serve a large table of women from what we call today, the Red Hat society. Not sure what they were called 40 years ago.

Also remember, we now live in age of everything is being recorded, put up on line and news organizations clamoring for anything that resembles news.

[Joebucks]

On 7/11/2021 at 12:00 PM, Flatbush Flyer said:

If I remember correctly, at least some of the security personnel on Oceania ships are former members of the Indian Army Military Police (“red berets”). They are very low key. But I expect their tolerance for BS is zero.

 

Never, and I mean NEVER, misses an opportunity for an Oceania advertisement.

 

On 7/11/2021 at 8:47 PM, zekekelso said:

Keep in mind there are approximately one billion* flights a day around the world. The small number of flights that get disrupted make the news. The 99.9% that go smoothly do not. 
 

* note - I said approximately 

 

It's never about common sense, it's about what makes the headline. Where instances of things that happen a fraction of a percent of the time take up 100% of our attention.

 

I've sailed with tens of thousands of people. I can count on one hand the amount of "unruly" people that joined us.

[navybankerteacher]

11 minutes ago, Joebucks said:

 

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I've sailed with tens of thousands of people. I can count on one hand the amount of "unruly" people that joined us.

Perhaps “unruly” should be seen as a relative rather than as an absolute term.  A trouble making loudmouth would not be likely to self-identify as “unruly” -  only seeing those significantly louder and/or more difficult than he as “unruly”,  while a courteous and co-operative individual would be likely to set a lower threshold. 
 

As an example - a member of a group of loud pushy drunk college students on a booze cruise would not see his buddies as “unruly” , while the parents of some young children who are afraid to share the pool with them might so call them .

 

I have seen enough crowds of “unruly” people on enough of my cruises to select out certain lines - especially those sailing certain itineraries certain times of the year.

[evandbob]

We rarely saw the present level of obnoxious and threatening passenger behavior on pre-covid flights, so pre-covid cruise ship observations may not be applicable to what might be observed when cruising resumes.  One could have sailed 1,001 nights or flown round the world 100 times before Jan. 2020 and never seen a disruption caused by a passenger. I totally agree with those observations.

 

I hope it won't become a cruise ship problem, but the COVID situation seems to have brought out the worst in some people.  Many outwardly "normal, looking" folk who probably never raised their voice in public before seem to be among the worst violators. Perhaps screaming on line has now permeated to actual behavior???

 

There weren't any air passengers protesting mask restrictions on planes because there weren't any such restrictions before the pandemic.   Since COVID I've read of numerous disruptive passengers flying on all types of air carriers and from 1st class through business down to economy, so previous profiling of certain times of the year or certain lines may no longer be valid.

 

[wowzz]

It always seems to me that trying to ascribe bad behaviour to individual cruises is meaningless.

For example,  I am sure that a fight will take place in a Hilton (Holiday Inn/Novotel etc) hotel, somewhere in the world,  tonight. 

Does that mean we should stop using that particular hotel chain ? Of course not.  

Bad behaviour happens everywhere, and no one cruise is worse than any other.

 

[wowzz]

1 minute ago, evandbob said:

One could have sailed 1,001 nights or flown round the world 100 times before Jan. 2020 and never seen a disruption caused by a passenger. I totally agree with those observations.

Seriously!  You have never been on a late night flight to Ibiza on Ryanair! 

[iancal]

I have flown thousands of miles, business and pleasure, over the years.

 

The only time that I have seen an unruly air passenger is at the check in counter.

 

On one flight I saw two Calgary policemen approaching the check in desk.  I did not see any disturbance.   They walked up to a man , each one literally put their arms under his, lifted him up a little, and escorted him away.  A third officer followed with the passengers metal tool kit.  If I had not been looking at the counter I would not have noticed it.

 

Mostly it has been people screaming about seats, carry on, being bumped, arriving too late only to find their seat re-assigned etc. etc.   I have spent a great deal of time in airports over the years.  That includes lots of LC airline flights  in Europe (not UK), Asia, and Australia.

Edited July 16, 2021 by iancal

[Toofarfromthesea]

On 7/11/2021 at 5:47 PM, zekekelso said:

Keep in mind there are approximately one billion* flights a day around the world. The small number of flights that get disrupted make the news. The 99.9% that go smoothly do not. 
 

* note - I said approximately 

Approximately??  You aren't anywhere near the right ballpark.  There are just under 8 billion people on the whole earth.  For there to be a billion flights a day, and everyone on earth was flying that would mean an average of 8 people on each flight.  So your 'estimate isn't even remotely reasonable.  And it took a 5 second Google search to confirm common sense.

https://financesonline.com/number-of-flights-worldwide/

The actual number of flights per day, globally, is in the vicinity of 100,000.  100,000 is NOT approximately a billion.  You are off by 4 orders of magnitude, or about a factor of 10,000.

But, math is hard.
 

[ldubs]

11 hours ago, Joebucks said:

 

 

I've sailed with tens of thousands of people. I can count on one hand the amount of "unruly" people that joined us.

 

11 hours ago, navybankerteacher said:

Perhaps “unruly” should be seen as a relative rather than as an absolute term.  A trouble making loudmouth would not be likely to self-identify as “unruly” -  only seeing those significantly louder and/or more difficult than he as “unruly”,  while a courteous and co-operative individual would be likely to set a lower threshold. 
 

As an example - a member of a group of loud pushy drunk college students on a booze cruise would not see his buddies as “unruly” , while the parents of some young children who are afraid to share the pool with them might so call them .

 

I have seen enough crowds of “unruly” people on enough of my cruises to select out certain lines - especially those sailing certain itineraries certain times of the year.

 

I think I'm with Joebucks on this one.  On all our cruises we haven't encountered that many truly unruly people, and certainly not crowds of them.  And I'm not boisterous by any means and admittedly don't go on booze cruises.   Even so, it seems most bad behavior is from alcohol.  No surprise there.    But there are those who get disturbed if someone, especially a youngster, even dare laugh out loud.   I'm sure they feel they are surrounded by crowds of "unruly" people.  

 

Anyway, I hope any real unruly-ness doesn't make its way to cruise ships.   

[Mike981]

Most people that are 'unruly', are just showing their true personality.

And~
 

Just a little food for a thought, don't discount other factors besides alcohol. There's a whole lot of folks that abuse prescription drugs. We really live in a medicated society. Prescribed or not.

But then, most people wouldn't think caffeine as a drug either.

 

[ldubs]

1 hour ago, Mike981 said:

Most people that are 'unruly', are just showing their true personality.

And~
 

Just a little food for a thought, don't discount other factors besides alcohol. There's a whole lot of folks that abuse prescription drugs. We really live in a medicated society. Prescribed or not.

But then, most people wouldn't think caffeine as a drug either.

 

 

I guess I might get "unruly" if I don't have my morning caffeine!    

[Sea Hag]

On 7/15/2021 at 9:37 AM, Winnigirl said:

I saw that in the Daily Mail.  Unbelievable.  She kept screaming about her "freedoms".  Ironically, she was on the Freedom of the Seas.  

I saw that video, and the irony struck me as well. But mostly it was the thought that this fool must have agreed to exactly what happened if she were to test positive. The cruise lines are being really careful about covering this in the pre-cruise agreements. Did she not even read what she was agreeing to, or did she think that agreement only covered other people and not her? 

[zekekelso]

3 hours ago, Mike981 said:

Just a little food for a thought, don't discount other factors besides alcohol. There's a whole lot of folks that abuse prescription drugs. We really live in a medicated society. Prescribed or not.

Whenever you hear about truly bizzaro behavior on a flight - somebody walking naked up and down the aisle for example - it’s a good bet Ambien is involved. 

[Markanddonna]

I just returned from two flights between CMH and CLT and the difference in the airports was like night and day. Columbus was clean, efficient, and followed "the old rules" like take your shoes off during the security check. The people from the police to the TSA were pleasant. No lines.

 

Charlotte's airport was incredibly congested with people sitting on the floor, the restrooms were filthy, and I thought I was in Russia with the curtness of the staff. We had to parade in lines past security dogs with staff shouting at the crowds.  I removed my shoes at the security line because my flight the day before required removal , and the man yelled at me to put them back on. Very unpleasant.  (I'm a very compliant senior, so this was uncalled for.)

 

Even the flights had different rules. You couldn't put your kindle size devices in pockets on one flight.  

 

On the other hand, both flights were uneventful as far as passenger compliance.

 

 

[crazyank]

26 minutes ago, Markanddonna said:

Even the flights had different rules. You couldn't put your kindle size devices in pockets on one flight.  

Please explain what you mean by this.  Are you saying you couldn't put a kindle is a seatback pocket?

[dogs4fun]

4 hours ago, ldubs said:

I guess I might get "unruly" if I don't have my morning caffeine!    

🤣

[ontheweb]

7 hours ago, ldubs said:

 

I guess I might get "unruly" if I don't have my morning caffeine!    

I wonder why my DW needs her morning coffee as she cannot have caffeine and drinks decaf. How can you be addicted to something when the addicting substance is not there.

 

As for me, I don't drink coffee as I dislike the taste. I used to drink one cup every year or so, and sped around like I was on meth. But then I cut down.😃

[navybankerteacher]

37 minutes ago, ontheweb said:

I wonder why my DW needs her morning coffee as she cannot have caffeine and drinks decaf. How can you be addicted to something when the addicting substance is not there.

 

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There are essentially two types: chemical addiction (which is what most of us think of when hearing the term  “addiction”), and psychological addiction - which can be as hard to break, but is self-induced.  An obvious example is that of a child who cannot stop sucking his thumb.  
 

If your morning decaf becomes a vital part of starting your day, it can be as hard to give up as the strongest caffeinated sort

[Mike981]

6 hours ago, zekekelso said:

Whenever you hear about truly bizzaro behavior on a flight - somebody walking naked up and down the aisle for example - it’s a good bet Ambien is involved. 

That is a great point.

[Markanddonna]

5 hours ago, crazyank said:

Please explain what you mean by this.  Are you saying you couldn't put a kindle is a seatback pocket?

Yep!  Kindle devices had to be stored elsewhere. That was the first time a flight attendant gave that rule.  You could hold your phone in your hand, but the kindle or other small device of that size couldn't be in the seatback pocket.  That was the rule on only one flight.

[FredT]

When our kids were young, we had to adhere to "school holiday" periods... and (trying to raise 2 kids) we always chose "basic" mass market lines and trips.   Result?   Yeah, we have seen a lot of drunk and unruly behavior.   Since the kids went off to college, our travel habits have changed.   No more "spring break" or holiday cruises, and more "longer" and exotic trips.  (Read "no college kids and no youngsters out for a booze cruise" trips.)   Result?   Have not seen any questionable behavior for years and YEARS.

[mom says]

1 hour ago, Markanddonna said:

Yep!  Kindle devices had to be stored elsewhere. That was the first time a flight attendant gave that rule.  You could hold your phone in your hand, but the kindle or other small device of that size couldn't be in the seatback pocket.  That was the rule on only one flight.

It should be a rule on every flight. For those who don't know any better.  Why on God's green earth would you put a phone, tablet, or any other personal item in the seat back pocket? The same pocket that may not have been properly cleaned for heaven knows how long. The same pocket used to hold used kleenexes,  dirty diapers,  empty food wrappers, and who knows what other kinds of garbage from previous pax? And people wonder why they get sick on planes.